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wtgg

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Feb 07, 2008 11:23 PM ET Quote Report Abuse

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I ve got a bunch of keyword phrase hits on my website (which for me is basically just a brochure). I`ve searched them as deep as 200 deep and my site is not there, on some of them I`m front row (top ten).

here are the phrases;

picnic table, picnic, adirondack stuff, instructions on make a child`s picnic table with detached bench, yard leisure, picnic tables, build picnic tables, picnic table, octagonal picnic table, wholesale picnic tables, octagon picnic table, custom patio tables, wooden picnic table, kids picnic bench, octagon walk-in picnic table, octagon walk-in picnic table, octagon picnic table with umbrella.

question`s; do you think people go deeper than 200 sites? did I draw the attention of a competitor? is someone trying to get me to learn something? is it just a fluke?

thanks in advance

stan

DaleKing

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Feb 08, 2008 8:25 AM ET Quote Report Abuse

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do you think people go deeper than 200 sites?

Yes, people often search beyond 200 results, if the results on the first few pages doesn`t provide them with the information they`re seeking. I`ve done it myself. Also, just because you can`t find your website under a particular keyword phrase on one search engine doesn`t necessarily mean it`s not showing up in others.

The fact that you`re having such a difficult time finding the origin of your traffic is an indicator to me that your statistical analytic data is lacking. Your analytics should be able to tell you exactly what keyword phrase your visitors used to find you, as well as the origin of that phrase.

There are also two other possibilties: You could have easily overlooked your listing while scanning results. That`s easy enough to do. Or some of your pages could be in Google`s Supplemental Index, which is where Google dumps poorly performing pages as well as duplicate content. It`s nothing personal. Just about every website on the Internet has pages in Google`s SI. To check Google`s SI, simply type the following URL into Google`s searchbox:: site:www.yoursite.com*** Just replace "yoursite" with your own URL.

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Businesswithcents

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Feb 08, 2008 11:50 PM ET Quote Report Abuse

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Dale, I am by no means an internet expert, actually it is probably one of my weakest areas, so please excuse my comment if it sounds that way. However, if it is a statistic analytical problem, would you recommend a program such as google analytics? It is free and from what I have heard will assist in giving wtgg some very useful tracking information.

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DaleKing

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Feb 09, 2008 9:15 AM ET Quote Report Abuse

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Anthony, I`m not a huge fan of Google Analytics, because it doesn`t provide "real time" results.Getting accurate, up to the minute, real time data is important to me for a variety of reasons. And I`m willing to pay for that convenience, so I use http://OneStat.com.

That being said, if you don`t care about real time data (many people don`t), Google Analytics is an excellent analytics program.

Dale King

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CraigL

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Feb 09, 2008 9:56 PM ET Quote Report Abuse

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Although Google Analytics doesn`t necessarily provide accurate results, what we`ve found that it DOES do, is get you indexed in the main Google index. We`re not all that concerned about how many hits, which types or whatever else, at our level of the economy. But what we found was that as soon as we installed the analytics on our main page and a couple of ancillary pages, our visibility sky-rocketed.

From there, once we were strongly visible on Google, it wasn`t long before we were picked up by Yahoo! and MSN. Now, we`re also strongly visible on AOL. We`ve done other things as well, but from what we were able to observe, it just seems that the visibility improvement began with the Google Analytics.

vwebworld

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Feb 10, 2008 1:18 AM ET Quote Report Abuse

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I`m not sure that activating Google analytics has such an affect on getting your site indexed. Certainly having links from other sites that are regularly indexed by Google (like SUN) or creating and submitting a Google site map will help... as will it help to create one for Yahoo.

Getting indexed by Google will affect your appearance in AOL searches because AOL essentially duplicates the editorial and ad listings that are shown on Google.

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DaleKing

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Feb 10, 2008 7:49 AM ET Quote Report Abuse

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Getting indexed by Google is not unique or specific to Analytics. Any website or blog that is indexed in Google and visited regularly by the Googlebot with give you the exact same results. For example, just registering on this forum or any other popular forum will quickly get you indexed by both Google and Yahoo.

Also, just in case you aren`t aware, "hits" are a meaningless statistic. Never use hits as a measure of success or importance. Any type of logged request made to the server is considered a hit. The requests can be for anything... graphic images, audio files, CGI scripts, html pages, etc... Hits merely represent the total number of requests that were made to the server during the specified report period. Nothing more.

Unique visitors, returning visitors, visitors footprints, time spent on site and conversion ratio are much more relevant and important statistics.

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dadministrator

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Feb 10, 2008 5:53 PM ET Quote Report Abuse

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If you`re talking about the yardleisure.com site, there are many reasons it`s not ranking well - some are pretty obvious. For example, not enough good keywords/phrases in your title tag. Very low text/html percentage (basically, you need more good copy on the front page). No alt tags, funny-lookin` outbound links....the list goes on. Get your site a good "SEO scrub", punch up a bunch of good inbounds, let it "soak" and reindex, and then check your SERPs - likely there will be some improvement.

wtgg

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Feb 10, 2008 8:43 PM ET Quote Report Abuse

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Guy`s thanks for the info, the website has it purpose anf fills that purpose fine ( i lnow it is lacking and needs professional help).

the site is office live and has too many statistics for me to understand, the item I look at is keywords (I really don`t look to sell a single item direct from the site, in my mind it is just a brochure.). Along those lines I am getting hits from google, yahoo, and aol with some of the above phrases, and like I said some are on the first page some on the fourth some I haven`t found (over 200 ) my worry if there is truely one; is "picnic table" that search made Forbes, as number one search last spring, I`ve had several hits from this search phrase.

I`ve already had inquiries from several states and probably can`t service them at this time ( although I am trying). I just don`t want to ruin any branding because I`m tiny at the moment.

Dale I personally don`t go deeper than 3-4 pages before re-phrasing thats the base for the 200 question.

I have google analylatics on the site, although I am slow at checking results.

Again thanks for the input,

Stan

CraigL

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Feb 11, 2008 2:29 PM ET Quote Report Abuse

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I took another look at the list of keywords you`re asking about, and considered that you`re saying you pay attention mostly to key words and key phrases.

I think you`re maybe looking at this a bit too nervously :-) For example, you have the phrase "picnic table." That`s a very generic term, and it wouldn`t be surprising that you`d show up way down the list. Remember; it comes down to relevance.

Suppose I`m going to use the phrase---I`m putting the cart before the horse here, for the sake of analysis. What thoughts, observations, or currrent conditions would cause me to go into a search engine and type the phrase "picnic table?"

One that comes to mine immediately would be renting a picnic table, or reserving one at a local park. So I`d put in "rent picnic table." That wouldn`t relate much to having my own picnic table built from wood and shipped, right?

The point is that although it`s a good idea to have related key words, the more important thing is to have words and phrases directly and specifically related to your product, what you offer, and what it is you actually do.

I put in "custom wood lawn furniture" and quit looking by around page 5. That`s my tolerance level, unless I`m really having a very hard time finding something unusual. But it comes down to what sort of phrases would make you show up higher in the results. "Picnic table" is too generic, whereas "hand made picnic table" would likely shrink the field. Right?

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