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bytenram

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Dec 24, 2007 9:19 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Just a brief update.  Last week this guy I sent my business plan to months back calls me at my office and wants some help as he can`t get any of his applications to launch in a hosted environment.

 

I jokingly make reference to the business plan I sent him months back and how he only contacts me when he needs something and asked him HOW CAN I HELP HIM!

 

We laughed and got to talking about the business plan and my ideas and he was speechless.  He thought I was sending him some half baked idea.  He was very excited and we are going to talk the first part of 2008 and see what arrangements we can come up to partner with each other.

 

Currently this guy has around 3mill in sales a month for our employer (we work for the same company). He is one of Jackson, MS top 100 Black Entrepreneurs and is very business savvy and has his hands on the pulse of this city.

 

He stated he knows where we can get the startup capital and once we come up with our agreements and get them finalized on paper we can move quickly in getting our first retail store open.

 

I will keep you all updated.

 

Also, hope you all have a Merry Christmas and happy holidays.  I actually am working this holiday but it will all pay in the long run!

 

 



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Sidneywah

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Dec 30, 2007 6:28 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Just a brief update.  Last week this guy I sent my business plan to months back calls me at my office and wants some help as he can`t get any of his applications to launch in a hosted environment.

 

I jokingly make reference to the business plan I sent him months back and how he only contacts me when he needs something and asked him HOW CAN I HELP HIM!

 

We laughed and got to talking about the business plan and my ideas and he was speechless.  He thought I was sending him some half baked idea.  He was very excited and we are going to talk the first part of 2008 and see what arrangements we can come up to partner with each other.

 

Currently this guy has around 3mill in sales a month for our employer (we work for the same company). He is one of Jackson, MS top 100 Black Entrepreneurs and is very business savvy and has his hands on the pulse of this city.

 

He stated he knows where we can get the startup capital and once we come up with our agreements and get them finalized on paper we can move quickly in getting our first retail store open.

 

I will keep you all updated.

 

Also, hope you all have a Merry Christmas and happy holidays.  I actually am working this holiday but it will all pay in the long run!

 

 



Congratulations on the progress you have made.

When I read the irony of your post, I wondered how many times in the past this may have been the case for others.

What I mean is how many others would have been granted a chance if they presented their business plan in person instead of just submitting it without a name or face.
bytenram

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Jan 03, 2008 1:56 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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You know.  I have the same thoughts.  I mean if a personal friend of mine thought the business plan was half baked and didn`t open it how many others out there are not getting the attention they need for the same reasons?

 

Because I work with this individual on a regular basis we have established a friendship and bond I was able to talk to him in person and explain what I had in store for this startup. 

 

We actually just struck a deal with each other earlier today and going to the attorneys next week to put them on paper.  We want to establish each others roles in the company etc. He knows where we can get the money so hopefully soon after getting our roles on paper and the business plan updated with his information we can get the doors open! 

 

WooHoo

 



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Roblue

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Jan 07, 2008 7:04 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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You know.  I have the same thoughts.  I mean if a personal friend of mine thought the business plan was half baked and didn`t open it how many others out there are not getting the attention they need for the same reasons?

 

Because I work with this individual on a regular basis we have established a friendship and bond I was able to talk to him in person and explain what I had in store for this startup. 

 

We actually just struck a deal with each other earlier today and going to the attorneys next week to put them on paper.  We want to establish each others roles in the company etc. He knows where we can get the money so hopefully soon after getting our roles on paper and the business plan updated with his information we can get the doors open! 

 

WooHoo

 



Congratulations.

Perhaps, there are members of this forum who are the ones that review business plans for a living.  I truly hope that they note the irony of your case and resolve to more carefully scrutinize the business plans that come across their desk.

Perhaps, they will resolve to schedule an interview with the owner of the business plan in an effort to ensure that they fully understand the whole picture that is trying to be painted in the business plan.

Thanks again for posting your experience.
Sidneywah

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Jan 07, 2008 9:36 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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I think another reason why most business plans make it to file 13 is because lending institutions are being inundated with individuals who want to create and control their own destiny and dreams.

In fact, lending institutions don`t seem to take to kindly to dreamers.  If anyone has made an attempt to get a loan from a lending institution, especially start ups and small businesses, you know what I mean.

These two category of business, in my opinion, find it the most difficult to find funding.

However, fortunately for these types of businesses, there are signs of an emerging trend off the much beaten conventional path that cater to this particular niche.

The one that worked for me was www.thesnaploan.com.  I choose this one because it was upfront about everything; the process was simple; and they do not affix a charge unless a loan is approved.  Then, their charge is based on the amount approved.

I like that about them.  But what I like best was I did everything online.  I found this extremely convenient and far less stressful than the convention method of approaching banks.

robertj

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Jan 07, 2008 12:30 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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As I tell my clients - the business plan will not get funding by itself. A bad or incomplete one can lose it - it is rare (not once in my experience) that sending (or handing) someone a business plan results in receiving a check. It`s necessary to be prepared and go through the other "steps" to reach a successful conclusion.

 

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Jan 07, 2008 7:31 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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. . .I mean if a personal friend of mine thought the business plan was half baked and didn`t open it . . .




Perhaps, there are members of this forum who are the ones that review business plans for a living.  I truly hope that they note the irony of your case and resolve to more carefully scrutinize the business plans that come across their desk.

Perhaps, they will resolve to schedule an interview with the owner of the business plan in an effort to ensure that they fully understand the whole picture that is trying to be painted in the business plan.



Hey Bytenram - sounds like a frustrating process you`ve encountered. Ummm, maybe I can kick in a few cents. You dealing with, I gather, several different audiences. One is your colleague, who despite his business experience and his personal skillset, may be not be attuned to dealing with a business plan approach. That is a skill in itself. Some are more experienced at that than others. The second audience appears to be on-line mating services - and you have no visibility into what happens behind the scenes (although I am not that familiar with these services). You have also mentioned an accountant, and the S.B.A, I believe - their approach is different again. And lastly, someone has mentioned Family, Friends and so on - yet another perspective.
Gotta say, each audience needs their own approach. When you have an avenue to a face-to-face (your colleague) take it - do not send them a business plan.

I come from a venture capital context - started in management, owned my own businesses, ended up at the VC, went back to my own business. not sure that many grasp the inside workings of a VC. First, as has been pointed out, a VC is rarely if ever interested in start-ups. There needs to be some market penetration for a VC to pay attention. Secondly. a proposal has to enough legs (size of market, geographic reach) to get a VC interested, because if there is no pathway to a market in the equity, there is no exit strategy. (With the sole exception of a plan that explicitly envisions a sell-out to an aligned competitor).
Third, some VCs are passive, and some are active. Passive is only relatively so, because there are reporting requirements, and inevitably, a pathway to asserting control. Sometimes the structure is board representation, conditionally voting equity series, convertible debt, convertible prefs, and the real favourite - demand debt. VCs will, it deemed necessary, force the vehicle into restructuring to salvage something for their investment.
The active VCs will insert someone on the management team to represent their interests - often the CFO.
Fourth, a lot of VCs are sector or industry preferential investors. Meaning, they are interested in say, bio-med - they have contacts in that field, they have research, and they are looking for synergies.You are extremely unlikely to get a VC interested in bio-med to invest in comm technologies. They use their asset base to enhance their investment vehicles upside, and shorten the timeline.
Fifth is that it costs VCs a lot of money to appraise a proposal. If the proposal gets past the rough cut screening, you can expect that they will take your idea and re-model it based on their market factors, economic forecasts, productivity factors. From there they will asess the viability of the proposal, and finally, ask what you bring to the table.
Sixth - just to look at the proposal for rough cut means about ten minutes, and that will cost the VC about $50 in burdened time. Ten minutes gets you three paragraphs scanned, and  5 numbers assessed - ROI, investment size, CAGR, capital budget, and time-to-payback. That`s it. the full proposal analysis will cost about $1,000 to $4,000 depending on the scope of the potential investment.
Lastly, depending on the VC - they do not recruit the bulk of their reviewed investments this way - unsolicited business plans. They will assign a student to wade through these piles. The most common sources are two. The most common is through market intelligence, by following people in the field, and keeping their ears to the ground on who might be in a position to start a new venture. I have actually recruited executives to start ventures based on my portfolio, and my knowledge of their personal strengths. The second source is through industry analysts, bankers, corporate lawyers (they find out first)and industry sources like equipment suppliers.

Now as I say, this has been my experience, and I don`t know much about these online services. Are you sure that you actually want a VC, and not an angel? If the latter, give serious consideration in analyzing your local economy - who has money, whose toes would you  be treading on, talk to your lawyer, your banker about who has the  money and the inclination. Be prepared to offer them a stake.

Finally, you mentioned $100k. I can`t remember offhand why (what the capital budget was), but you might seriously consider looking to an equipment supplier as a potential source of start-up financing. If you can scrape together enough funds for the expense outlays to first sale, and get the vendor to extend terms on the equipment, you may find that you need less investment capital than you think.

robertj at 12:30 is absolutely correct - sending in a business plan, even a good one is not enough . . .just a start. And you had better know your audience to have any impact.



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jprichardson

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Feb 28, 2008 3:07 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Bytenram, any updates? This thread has been an interesting read.
bytenram

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Mar 04, 2008 3:20 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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JPRICHARDSON,
 
Thanks for your message.  Honestly, I don`t know if I have any.  I haven`t gotten far on finding investors etc.  I have a great idea, extremely knowledgable of the industry I am looking at, have many people willing to help me once I get the doors open. One of a kind situation/agreement that will catapult me to the top. I just cant seem to get the doors open.
 
 
Such is life......
 


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bytenram

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Jun 26, 2008 1:14 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Long time no post.  I did want to let you all know that I am still working to achieve my goal in launching the idea I have been working on for a while now.

 

I need approx. 30k to get the doors open and this is with no working capital once the doors are open.  I will rely solely on the business to keep it afloat.  This will allow me to open without an investor.  Because it seemed like such a hassle to find someone willing to invest in my idea and vision I thought of ways to create revenue for myself and now I have 10k saved up in a matter of months.

 

First off I am back in college full time. This is allowing me to take out student loans that are subsidized and nonsubsidized at low interest rates that have to be paid back after school is finished ( I can become a professional student). Also, I launched a WISP (wireless internet service provider) business that has been averaging 2k a month and only with 4 small locations. You can check out my site at www.bhamhotspots.com.

 

What I am basically doing with the WISP is turning a hard wired broad band connection such as T1 into Wireless. I purchase, install, and maintain the equipment. I have 1 large apartment complex, 1 neighborhood, and 1 campground that I am supplying high speed wireless internet to.  The small up front out of pocket is compensated with the 5 year contracts I have at these locations and the residual income I am already making. I typically have in the contract where I pay the facility owner a percentage of the revenues generated at their location.  This creates a win/win for them and I.

 

 



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