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bytenram

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Oct 15, 2007 8:45 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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OK,

I have semi-bright idea last week. While I am looking for startup capital and can tap out credit cards and savings I am sure I can get the money without an investor.  That being said, I do not want to pull from my savings and/or credit cards unless I really need to. I think getting a business loan would suffice.  Now I am young and credit is still young and I think I would have a hard time obtaining a loan for 100k as I already have a mortgage and 2 car notes I think my debt ratio might be a little risky even though I make great money currently.

I am also not a great salesman.  I am more the technical guy behind the scenes.

I currently work for a sizeable Technology Service Provider and one of our top sales managers (which average 4-6mill annually in sales) is a great businessman. He is a real estate investor, owns several small businesses and has been featured several times in the local papers as a Young Black Entrepreneur.

He is in his mid thirties and he has told me about minority ran businesses and grants etc and I am thinking about talking with him about the potentials of my business and bringing him on as partner.  We will then be able to register the business as a MINORITY business and will be accessible to a lot more had I not taken this route.

In the past he and I have collaborated about software I could write and he sell etc.  Nothing has ever come of that, we have just talked.  He and I get a long great and I think this would be a great step into launching my company.

What are your thoughts? I think with his sales knowledge and my abilities in the technology side of the house along with his mature credit and my new credit I could get the loan easily or grants being a minority business.

 



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robertj

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Oct 15, 2007 11:30 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Gerald,

Having people with skills /experience that compliment yours is not only a big help in building a business - it`s an "asset" when seeking funding.

In order for a business to be classified as "disadvantaged" (what you call a minority business) it must be at least 51% owned by the disadvantaged person(s).



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bytenram

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Oct 17, 2007 3:01 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Robert,

Thank you for your responses.  I haven`t had my laptop on me so I have been unable to reply to your last email.

I should have a response back for you by this evening.

Also, There throws the disadvantaged idea out the window.  I don`t think I want to give 51% to someone.  Maybe 49%.

:)

Thank you for all of your help.

My meeting with SCORE is on the 23rd of this Month.  Thanks to your email I was able to meet with my CPA earlier than expected and are in the process of many changes.  I should have the final draft back this Friday.

You can check out SCORE at http://www.score.org.

 



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Roblue

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Oct 21, 2007 1:20 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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I have been following this thread with great interest because I am considering starting up a business as well and find a great deal of insight in many threads in this forum.

I have notice a question that was asked that I`m not sure if I read an answer to it.

How long does an investor wait before he/she expects a return on their investment into a business?
robertj

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Oct 21, 2007 12:23 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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roblue,

In the equity category, that would depend upon the situation, but by way of  general info - typical time frames for Venture capital firms is 5 years (with a max of 7). 

Remember the longer the investor waits for their results - the greater the risk (actual and perceived) and therefore the larger the expected return.



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Roblue

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Oct 26, 2007 7:50 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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roblue,

In the equity category, that would depend upon the situation, but by way of  general info - typical time frames for Venture capital firms is 5 years (with a max of 7). 

Remember the longer the investor waits for their results - the greater the risk (actual and perceived) and therefore the larger the expected return.


Thank you for responding Robert.  Based on your response, if I am lucky enough to convince someone to provide the business capital I need for my start up, the longer I wait to present this investor with a return the larger the percentage of the return.

In that case, I like worse case scenarios help with the preparation process, a seven year period should expect what type of percentage on the invested return?

robertj

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Oct 27, 2007 1:06 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Roblue,

This will vary according to the specifics of the situation - which effect the actual and perceived risk. However, Venture Capital Firms (those that invest other peoples money) will usually want to "see" the potential for a ROI of 30-40% per year, with a shot at 50%.

 



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Jaun22

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Oct 29, 2007 11:11 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Never heard the 4 f`s rule before. Thanks for sharing.

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bytenram

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Nov 05, 2007 12:43 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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OK, I am thinking 100k is a very hard amount to raise. 

I have looked at the figures and I can borrow 25k to get my retail store open.  Now this is a big gamble as I would not have any cushion if business is slow the first month (which I do not anticipate). 

With my salary I can sustain this for a short period if sales are not good.  My thought is I should take the risk...borrow the 25k and get the store open.  I mean if it doesn’t make it at 25k and getting the store open would it of made it with 100k to last a year?

What are your thoughts?  Would this be worth doing just to get my store open and making some money?



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robertj

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Nov 05, 2007 1:21 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Generally speaking, retail stores take some time to gain revenue momentum so you are putting more pressure for quick results. If you will be reducing the budget for marketing & promoting your store - that would also increase the risk.

Have you considered some test promotions to get people primed for your store opening?



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