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wtgg

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Jan 29, 2009 5:45 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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what is going on in this world?
they just impeached the Gov. of Ill.how can they do that? are we not still innocent until proven guilty in this country?
has the government become so powerful they can just make it up as they go?
I don`t get it, mind you I have nothing vested other than civil rights in this country.
makes me wonder why we bother to fight wars for freedom.



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Jan 29, 2009 7:02 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Apparently the states` elected officials felt that he had done something wrong or illegal, and have the power to hold an impeachment trial if they feel he needs to be removed from office .... the US Congress can do the same with the President .... I don`t think that impeachment trials follow the same course of events that other trials do .... in any event, we have a system that prevents one person, or level of government, from having too much power ... also, the FBI has been watching the former governor for a few years, and have many tapes of his conversations which the accusations and reasons for impeachment were based on ( in other words, his own words and actions are what started all of this ) .... basically, that is how they can do it.


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Jan 29, 2009 7:11 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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LOL! As having lived here in Illinois for a long time, I can help you reduce your concerns and rest easier. First of all, you have to understand that jail is a common résumé builder for all Illinois governors. They run for office, get elected, become governor, go to jail, then move upward toward the national scene. Blagojevich is simply following the ordinary career path.

Secondly, don`t fall for the delusional psychosis the ex-governor has been promoting everywhere OTHER than in Illinois! He`s been using a standard election-mode campaign speech as a "defense" for his actions. The fact is he`s on multiple tape recordings demonstrating his interest in cash.

What`s pathetic is that the governor was poorly received during his first term, then ran for a second term against a very competent opponent. But with Gov. Ryan working in jail, the Republican party didn`t have a chance. So "Blogo" won re-election.

Following that, he was so outrageously disinterested in actual leadership that we, the people were offered a referendum in November as to adding impeachment capabilities into the Illinois constitution. It was soundly rejected.

The governor hasn`t had the slightest comprehension as to what`s going on around him. He didn`t believe he could be arrested, so when he was, he simply ignored it. He`s been given offers time and again to make SOME kind of case in his defense, but he doesn`t seem to think there`s anything wrong.

But ultimately, it isn`t about a "fair trial." There are two, totally separate concepts involved. The one is the governor`s title and capability to execute the office of governor. The other is any liability for criminal wrongdoing. It`s the same for the President of the US.

When in the office, he can`t be prosecuted for activities. Only if he does not have the title and is not in office can other legal proceedings begin.

So an impeachment "trial" in the Illinois State Congress is for one purpose only: to sustain or remove the title of "governor." That`s all it is, and it has no bearing on character witnesses. It has only to do with whether or not the governor is capable of actually doing the business of the people in that office.

Since Blogo hasn`t been doing any business much at all, the more interesting problem for him was to demonstrate what he`s been doing these past years. And that`s why he keeps referring to the programs or legislation he`s "passed" (or sold, or traded).
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wtgg

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Jan 29, 2009 8:16 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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it just seems a bit pretrial overzealous to me, the government of Ill. pretty much made sure this guy can never get a fair criminal trial. I know it is not supposed to matter but how can anyone breathing in the free world not know?
Heck I live in New Jersey, I would love some impeachment proceedings we could base it on embezzlement, with the taxes they charge vs the services they give.
weather it was right to impeach him or not I think the justice system should have first crack.I think it is another example of politicians practicing politics, following the medias outcry.
does he have an appeal route, I suspect not.
It is what it is at the end of the day and maybe he is deserving of the outcome, I just have an issue with the process.


CraigL

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Jan 30, 2009 1:23 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Stan,
The process was and continues to be more than fair. The problem has been Blagojevich himself and his complete distancing himself from that process. So far, his entire first team of lawyers (very high priced) has quit, and now the lead on his second team has quit. In both cases because they couldn`t get him to even function within the system.

Nobody wants to railroad the guy, but it`s almost impossible to avoid making appear that way given the man`s own choice of actions. And we`re not even talking about the actual evidence yet.
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