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rodillon

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Feb 25, 2009 12:35 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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so cut down the cost hiring few less people but still keep jobs here but got cars made here not much more for them


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rodillon

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Feb 25, 2009 12:38 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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that right i be willing five bucks a day my self if i could eat have place to sleep


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CraigL

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Feb 25, 2009 2:52 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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One reason we have problems is that people in America have had it so good for so long, they`ve now come to believe they "deserve" this or that. They`re "entitled" to this or that.

The framers of the Constitution understood that human beings do have certain inalienable rights (entitlements). One of them is the right live their life. Another is to own the fruits of their own efforts. Human beings have a right to be free and not slaves.

A job begins with a person who works (applies effort), and who owns that effort. They contract with an employer to exchange their work for money. How much money should be up to the employer and employee.

Where we ran into problems is that children aren`t competent to assign a proper value to their own labor. But that opened the door to "proper" value. What does that even mean?

And so now we have minimum wage laws, where the minimum is set by who-knows-who, based on nothing at all other than feelings.

We`re having and have had topics of discussion about how to assign prices to things. This too is the same problem: What`s the correct price to assign to work?

Free-market capitalism proposes that work is valued by the market. In this case, employers (business owners) are the market, and should set the value of work. Unions interrupt that market, as does government intervention.

The result is that plenty of people would love to work for $5/hour, and have a roof over their head and food in their mouths. But no, they`re not allowed to do so. It would be against the minimum-wage laws, or against a union contract.

It`s a tough life. Maybe the government or the unions will make it better.
rodillon

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Feb 25, 2009 3:08 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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in that case if think about it like with my home business that is online marketing i get $0.00 hr but some day that might pay me $10,000 later for an hr worth a work but right i send 40 to 80 hr a week get paid $0.00 dollars an hr that dose mean that have put in the work just means i got not dime to show for the work and that i night get out there but what says that anybody wants whati have even better then your stuff you sell i might caught them at the wrong time maybe all my sales come in why i am a sleep. i do not give up i still plug a way even if i do not see any thing because it is mine. that i could care less about the pay we need work if they do not want to work for cheap i will!!!!!!!


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patentandtrademark

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Feb 25, 2009 3:36 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Consider using periods and capital letters to form sentences.  It makes the communist dribble easier to read.



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rodillon

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Feb 25, 2009 7:12 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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that has nothing to do with the topic.


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CraigL

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Feb 25, 2009 7:22 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Rodillon,
Your premise is that a group of people (rich people) somehow control everything that happens on the planet. They somehow own all the money, all the goods, all the services, and all the infrastructure.

Additionally, another group (poor people) have no control at all over what happens on the planet.

The underlying assumption to your whole discussion is that somehow, there exist classes of people and those classes are permanent. Some people are somehow allowed to have, and others are not allowed to have.

If you believe the basic premise, then the way people get what they need to survive is to somehow beg from those who have. The success or failure of that begging is random, based on whim and moods.

America was founded on a different premise, that resources exist and anyone who`s smart enough or interested enough can own whatever they produce. With that ownership, they can then trade what they produce with others.

Rich people are free to do whatever they want, just as poor people are free to do whatever they want (at least under the original intent of the Constitution, here in America).

As such, rich people continue to be rich because it`s in their own best interest. They require people work in their businesses, people to buy their products, and so forth. Rich people don`t just sit on their butts counting their gold. That`s a fantasy poor people have.

Nobody is freezing anyone out of anything. The government is making it more and more difficult for anyone, rich or poor to do much of anything. That means poor people can`t work, rich people can`t hire, and money can`t move anywhere.

Sadly, the majority of poor people don`t even see this prevention coming from the government. They see only that money and jobs aren`t happening. And so they turn to the government and demand that it does even MORE of the same regulation, control, and damage.
rodillon

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Feb 26, 2009 4:41 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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i never said they were sitting on there butts but there not listing to reallty if they got all the money there not going beable to grow because who got money if there no money flowing down keep get richer but there only so much money out there did you ever think about that there so post be gold to back it up but there not enough gold it all paper money just trading paper around


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rodillon

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Feb 26, 2009 4:57 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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I know for a fact they do not sit on there butts because i may not be rich with money but i am rich with family and they fact is got house cleaning business but takes money that i do not have nobody will loan out but i know that rich people think there better then poor people but who dose the work for them now that they got were they are oh maybe used poor people just get were they are


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CraigL

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Feb 26, 2009 4:02 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Your second, and most important premise, is key: "...but there only so much money out there..."

This is the crux of your belief system, which leads to your entire argument and which makes it entirely wrong. No, there is NOT a finite, set amount of money "out there!"

The two most basic ways to believe about money are:
  • The zero-sum "pie" --- If someone makes money, someone else loses money
  • Money symbolizes effort --- If someone creates something, society adds more money to the "pie" to account for it.
For half a century, clever professors have taught the majority of young school students that there is only a certain amount of money in the world. The task of each adult is to figure out a way to get some of that money.

"Giving back to the community" is a way to fool people into believing that if one person makes money, another person must lose money.

The entire theory demonstrates a total lack of comprehension about the nature of money, the nature of trade, the nature of work, the nature of economics, and the nature of business.

Let`s say a family decides to improve their lives by opening a cleaning business. Before they made that decision, many other people had to spend part of their time doing their own cleaning.

Along comes a new group of people (born and grown to adults by population increases). Those people offer to clean other people`s homes or offices.

To account for this new effort of work taking place, someone must introduce a valuable "thing" that can be exchanged. In a barter economy, one person would offer sandwiches to the people doing the cleaning.

But in a modern society, the person needing the cleaning would offer money of some kind. It might be gold coin, silver coin, copper coin. But it might also be paper contracts provided by a bank or a government bank.

As soon as the family comes up with their new idea and begins selling the cleaning to those who want to buy it, the banks and government must introduce additional money in order to account for the new effort.

In other words, people are born, they grow up, they introduce more work and effort into an economy. To make room for that new effort, new money comes into the monetary system.

To look at it your way, if a family decides to get into the cleaning business, then someone else MUST go out of business! In a fair market, another cleaning business would go out of business to make room for the new family.

In your view, in a less fair market, then a liquor store would have to go out of business, or a neighborhood drug store, or small restaurant. One way or another, a business would have to go out of business to make room for the new cleaning business.

To make it even "more fair," a better way (under your view of things) would be that each of the small businesses in the area surrounding the new cleaning business would have to "give up" some of their money. That would "allow" for some money to now flow into the cleaning business.

That`s simply wrong. It doesn`t work that way excepting when an outside "force" makes it happen. Socialism and/or communism is such an outside force. Capitalism simply creates new money to match the creative efforts of the new business---the new product or work.
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