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Mr Kiyosaki in his new book with Mr. Trump stresses that building your own business can be a predictable path to prosperity. He also writes that 90% of start-up businesses will fail within the first 5 years. He clears up this contridiction by stressing that most small business owners had no financial education when they started, and lacked training to be entrepreneuers.

I take Mr.Kiyosaki`s and Mr.Trump`s advice on why small businesses fail. Lack of financial education and lack training to be entreprenuers.

I believe a very high percentageof those individuals who complained to BBB about coupon cutting and other programs, were out to lunch. Those individuals probable dropped out of school.  Therefore you are giving a poor representation of PIF4P.

PIF4P offers a free education in Internet marketing.

 

 

 

Alright, it`s a viable argument in favor. But I wonder....if you open a restaurant and something is wrong, you really don`t have all that many chances to get the word of mouth out there, and to build a reputation. If it goes south for whatever reason, it`s incredibly hard to gain a good reputation back.

So too, if you end up with an unsatisfactory report on BBB, can it be overcome? On a site like this (SuN) where reasoned discussion can take place separately from the product, I think it`s a high service to everyone to see these kinds of rebuttals.

Personally, I tend to regard the Better Business Bureau as being similar to Consumer Reports (or is it Guide), where a few people might skew the results, but on the whole and averaging it out, there`s probably a fair amount of truth to the reports. That`s my personal opinion, though.


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Craig Landes
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Defining the undefinable. "There are 10 kinds of people in the world---those who understand binary numbers and those who don`t." - Unknown

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Hi  conservativejim,

Most of the "positive" information that I find about PIF4P  is marketing/sensational/promotional talk.  How long have you been with PIF4P?  You sounds like a pretty smart guy. Can you summarize what the PIF4P is and why/how it allows YOU to realize your financial freedom in concrete way?  Your concreate personal experience will definitely give more weight than the infomercial-style talk on the PIF4P website.

Funny I was reading this thread and wondering the same thing.

Conservative Jim :  If you have been on PIF4P how long have you been on there? Have you had any success with it? What do you think about the sites that are up?

No reply yet.... interesting... are you new?

Allow me to put in my point of view as well. I have also joined Payitforward4profits about one week ago and I have got 2 new team members already, with $0 cost in advertising. Mind you, what I like about the PIF4P System, is that it provides us with a fantastic well produced Training manual. Even newbies can succeed with this just following the steps. The best thing is thats it is free to access, but I also think that this could be a drawback as some might not take it seriously enough and therefore miss out on a fair chance.

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Hello everyone,

I am new to this group and just noticed this posting about PIF4P. A few months ago I stumbled across PIF4P and it has truly blessed me and my family. When I first signed up I knew nothing about network marketing. By following their success guide and daily live training calls I was able to get over 500 sign ups in just a few months. I now am able to stay home and work this business full time and make a very respectable income.

This is not a get rich quick scheme, and they tell you that right from the start that you need to work hard to succeed just like any other legitimate home business.

About the "Paul Birdsall Scam" website. This was created by a member in his downline from a previous company that went under. It`s not Pauls fault. Do you think he wanted to loose a downline of several thousand? This is why it is sooo important to pick a good solid primary business. There are so many new businesses that claim to have amazing growth potential while offering you a ground floor opportunity. Most of these companies fail. So PLEASE pick your primary business carefully. My primary has been around for 50 years and there not going anywhere.....Sorry to get off track.

I just want to let everyone know that Paul Birdsall is a good man and has helped thousands of people in this industry succeed including myself. I hope this helps. If you have any questions or concerns I would be more than happy to answer them. Have a great weekend everyone! 

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(Why does this all remind me of a religion of some kind?)

As for the Web site about scams, I doubt someone could create a fake Better Business Bureau site and report.

What strikes me more likely is that part of that success guide is how to write glowing reports on the network marketing idea. Lots of people are looking for ways to make money, and would probably sign up based on that writing. I don`t really read anything of substance though. So I guess I`m not a good candidate for the process.


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Craig Landes
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Defining the undefinable. "There are 10 kinds of people in the world---those who understand binary numbers and those who don`t." - Unknown

International Society of Curmudgeons

Do you mind telling us what 100 sign-ups means in terms of income?  Is it $5 a sign-up?  Or is it a percentage of monthly fees (if any) for sign-up?  The site doesn`t provide any income information on the system.  Since you have been doing this for a while, maybe you (or anyone in this biz) can share it with us?

Thanks.

The average PIF4P sign up is worth $10-$15.

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So beside getting people to sign up, what are other income opportunities with PIF4P?  Do you personally provide any service (as compared to getting referral fees)?