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I`ll admit I fell for a lot of hype and lost a lot of money on all the other programs I joined except PIF4P. (Maybe they would have worked, but they were to hard for me to do.-and probably half were scams anyways)PIF4P kinda weeds people out by itself. Some people find it complicated or too much to do on their spare time. What they don`t realize is that once it`s set up you really have to do very little. It took me a few days of around the clock work to set it up, plus cash that I needed to be upgraded in everything to get commissions. Then it took me about 2 weeks to find a great primary. But it might be a different story for me b/c I had a lot of time as a laid off construction worker. Also, the learning curve was bigger for me as I had no computer experience-at all. Other people might find it easier of harder, depending on circumstances. The people that don`t do anything with it don`t bother me or upset me. I don`t waste time on them. You need very few people in your downline that actually put forth an effort in PIF4P in order to turn a profit. Anyhoo, glad you joined, I hope it works out.

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Wow, I guess I don`t understand why some people get confused.  To follow a simple Success Guide, don`t get yourself overwhelmed, the Day to Day Training is the key.  If/when one joines any of the affiliate programs as suggested in the Success Guide, don`t feel like you have to read the "welcome" emails from each affiliate program, as noted in the Success Guide!  This is what overwhelmes most PIF4P members.  STICK WITH THE SUCCESS GUIDE - Day to Day Training!  Then, at a later time, when feeling comfortable about working PIF4P, go back to those emails to "bone" up on the individual affiliate programs.

As epeters notes "What they don`t realize is that once it`s set up you really have to do very little".  Simply re-submit your Ads daily!

PIF4P has really helped me and my Primary business because I stuck with it, followed the Success Guide and dialed in to the "Saturday Morning Breakfast" calls each week to learn!  Was that simple?  Indeed!

RSchlieper (Ron)

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Yeah, PIF4P is pretty easy for people without a huge learning curve like I had. But have you ever noticed that a only small percentage of your downline actually does anything? That can be dissapointing for newbies. I dunno, I wish I could get all the people in my downline that don`t do anything to tell my why they don`t. I`d probably have a variety of reasons. But certainly lack of support won`t be one of them. I always call and introduce myself, give them my IM, phone #, address, and fax #. I`m averaging 2 signups a day now, so my chances of a productive downline are better, I suppose, but in order to bring in the big bucks I`ll have to get like 5 a day, at least. I still have a ton more advertising weapons in my arsenal that are waiting to be deployed, so we`ll see what happens.

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Same here epeters.  Of the over 60 in my downline only a few have followed the Success Guide and signed up with the affiliate programs.  In listening to Joel on the Sat. morning calls, he indicated once that most people sign on out of curiosity or expect to sign on, make lots of money but not do anything to earn the money.  Like working for a Bank or any other place of business, walking in, punching a time card then going to ones desk and taking an all day nap.  Guess what, that person ain`t gonna make any money and will get fired!  One needs to work to earn - no way around it.

As for your people letting you know why?  Not gonna happen.  Nobody wants to admit they`re a failure especially with the process is in black and white and they still "don`t get it".  Too bad for them but don`t waste your time with them.  The autoresponders will do the followups for you and if/when they`re ready they will act and not until then.

RSchlieper (Ron)

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I have 30 ( Check me out on the boards-Erin Peters-USA) in my downline and only a few do anything with it. I have only like 3 Americans in my downline, and one of my newest ones (from a country I;`ve never even heard of) is trying to contact me via IM and it`s hard to understand what he says sometimes and it`s really frustrating trying to help him. He wants it so bad. Poor guy. Plus the time zone thing sucks. I`m staying up till 2 AM to help him tonight. But amazingly he already is starting a downline. He`s only been in for a day.         As far as your post, I totally agree with everything you said. Thank god for autoresponders! I`m averaging at least 2 signups a day now! It`s really taking off and I`m so excited! Not everyone does stuff with it, but at least my odds are better with more signups, KWIM?

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Way to go epeters.  I now have 71 and growing.  I LOVE PIF4P and what it`s doing for me.

RSchlieper (Ron)

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Sweeeet! I made it to a PIF4P Manager last night!

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Way to Go epeters!  Congrats. 

I`m soon to be Senior Manager (100+ PIF4P members)

Keep up the good work!

RSchlieper (Ron)

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His name is Paul M Birdsall. His last known home address is 35 Gleneagles Terr., Cochrane AB, T4C 1W4.  He is originaly from Thompson, Manitoba

He current email is: pbirdsall@shaw.ca

He uses the following addresses for his business opportunity scams 1481 Waverley St, Winnipeg, Manitoba R3T 0P7 Canada, 1853 Grant Ave, PO Box 24066, Winnipeg, MB R3N 2B1, Various street numbers at St. Mary Ave, Winnipeg, MB R3C 4K5 or R2N 1Z0 or R2N 1Z4, 1100 MEMORIAL AVE
THUNDER BAY ON P7B 4A3 and other rental post office boxes or suites.  He often uses fake or incorrect street address with the proper postal code. (I guess he doesn`t want anybody meeting him at the mail box when he takes his fat ass to collect his stolen money.)  He also tries to hide behind trade names, his wife and business partners some are listed below.

 

Paul Birdsall`s BBB report The Better Business Bureau (BBB) of Manitoba & Northwest Ontario Reliability Report.  Lots of info on Paul Birdsall`s Work-at-Home Schemes he uses to steal peoples money.

THE SCAM
Paul Birdsall sells various work-at-home schemes hiding behind a number of different business names and mail box addresses. He offers grossly over inflated price earnings, inferior products (sometimes they are not even legally aloud to be sold in Canada) and numerous other promises that he has no intentions of ever fulfilling. Visit the web sites listed in the table below to see how some of the offers.

Basically he sets up, sells a number of worthless information products collecting the fees and then shuts the operation down.  He then repeats this scam under another name of slightly different angle leaving hard working people with nothing to show for their investment. He mainly advertises through classified ads in the business opportunity section or even the employment section in newspapers across the country and he also uses post card size mail outs.  He usually requires a fee up front before he provides the information, also offering a money back guarantee which he never intends to honor.  He many also have people contact you to get you to invest larger amounts of money once you buy the initial product.

 

A consumer reporter from CTV named Leah Doherty actually did a report on his Greenwave Marketing scams in mid 2005, this guy and his wife and business partners are big time thieves.

 

Some of his latest scams are through Pay It Forward 4 Profit (www.payitforward4profits.com/1000/), Greenwave Marketing or GW Marketing and he is still running ads in newspaper classifies for his web site www.cashflow123.com.  He is also running ads for Payten Data Services directing people to the www.globalcreditexpress.com web site. If you come across anything being run by Paul Birdsall or anybody else listed below do not give this man any money, instead report it (see the list of place below).