Retirement Plans: A New Source for Business Capital

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Jan. 09 2008 at 1:23 PM
No Photo Posted by: shing
I am considering using an existing IRA (not my only savings) to fund a business startup.  In weighing various pros/cons, these are my greatest concerns:
*How to "pay back" what is used/borrowed?  Is most of this when the business is sold?
*Probable exit strategies in 10-15 years?
***ANYONE tried this before?***
Thanks, TH
Jan. 09 2008 at 1:39 PM
robertj Posted by: robertj Sunbassador

Shing,

There are some restrictions on using one's own IRA funds for their own business - you could create a "taxable" event for yourself. While company 401k programs may allow borrowing - technically one cannot borrow against one's personal IRA account.

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Jan. 09 2008 at 5:06 PM
MNGrillGuy Posted by: MNGrillGuy
I borrowed $20K from my 401K to buy a house.  15 yr. terms but you have to make monthly payments.  I think if you are to borrow for anything other then a home it is 5 year terms.  Ouch!  It's nice that you get to pay yourself the interest but using taxed income to replace the pre-tax funds you borrowed is a bit silly IMHO. Travis Tschepen
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Jan. 09 2008 at 5:29 PM
No Photo Posted by: shing
I am not considering "borrowing" from an IRA or 401k.  I am considering an option suggested by Guidant Financial, SD Cooper, BeneTrends, etc.  That is, basically speaking, set up a C corp, set up a 401k plan in it, rollover your $ (IRA &/or previous 401k), issue stock from the corp to the plan.  The result is that the business has startup and operating cash and does not pay interest as on a bank loan.
 
I recognize that using one's savings like this can be risky, but so is a bank loan and it includes interest.  I also know that I must recognize any opportunity lost in the "savings" but hopefully the business will grow over time at a greater rate than I was currently receiving in this "savings."  I do like the benefit of using this instead of a secured bank loan.  (That part worries my wife.)
 
So, back to my questions:
*How to "pay back" what is used/borrowed?  Is most of this when the business is sold?
*Probable exit strategies in 10-15 years?
***ANYONE tried this before?***
Thanks, TH
 
Jan. 09 2008 at 6:04 PM
robertj Posted by: robertj Sunbassador
As you said, your retirement plan would own "shares" in the company as an investment, so there would not be a "pay back" involved.
 
If the shares are liquidated then the plan would receive the proceeds. Such liquidation could occur from a company repurchase, a stock transfer (if allowed) or the sale of the company.
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Feb. 12 2008 at 8:52 PM
No Photo Posted by: LenDee
I have already decided to use my 401k to fund my business concept. 
The big task is selecting the right company - Guidant - Benetrends - Pension Tax Transfer.... which leads me to this question -- HOW SAFE IS IT TO TURN MY 401K over to any of these guys? 
 
Thanks, LenDee
 
Nov. 15 2008 at 1:09 PM

Words ‘borrowed’ and ‘paid’ in section 36(1)(iii) clearly postulate two different entities, one which lends capital and the other which borrows and pays interest. The same entity cannot be its own lender and borrower or interest can be paid to self. Therefore, interest paid by one unit of assessee to its unit cannot be allowable because it is paid and received by the same person and not by one person to another.

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Edited by: RetireDebtFreeHappy - Nov. 15 2008 at 1:09 PM
Nov. 16 2008 at 11:47 PM
No Photo Posted by: toddk

I am considering a 401k rollover with Benetrends.  I found startupnation while looking for advice on this very subject.  So far I have heard all the "Pro's" about using this system, no debt service while starting up the business, and paying yourself back on your schedule not the banks.  You can choose the funds to place your investment with, i.e., Vanguard, T Row Price. then contribute to it just like the one I have at my current employer.  Best of all no Business  plan to write. I have heard this form the franchise rep, the business service helping me select a business, and the rep from Benetrends, all of which don't get paid until I decide to sign on the bottom line.....my natural scepticism tells me to look before I leap.  Does anyone have an opinion weather or not this is a good idea? Are there any other options besides an SBA loan, and borrowing form family?



Edited by: toddk - Nov. 16 2008 at 11:48 PM


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