How to Start a 401(k) For Your Business – and Why It’s a Good Idea

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Jun. 14 2007 at 8:23 PM
SteveWasiura Posted by: SteveWasiura
is it just a matter of discipline, to put away money and never touch it, instead of being tempted to keep it liquid in case you need it to hire an additional employee? i.e. as a small business owner I'm investing in my business instead of investing in other businesses (as in the stock market or mutual funds) beacuse i have more faith in what i'm doing versus the possibility of losing it in the market. or is this just a way to balance risk (put most of your eggs in your basket, but keep a few in others baskets, in case your basket gets stolen by a wolf)
Jun. 14 2007 at 8:58 PM
401kAdvisor Posted by: 401kAdvisor

SteveWasiura , You are right, for many small business owners the true investment is in thier own company, but in the future you will reach a point where it is a good idea to put some extra money away and get that write off.

In addition, all 401k plans allow you to borrow up to 50% and pay your self back over time--so the money is not as tied up as you think.

Stephen, you have a really neat product-that firefly look would be a neat addition to my landscaping in the summer...Small business owners are the greatest!

Aaron



Edited by: 401kAdvisor - Jun. 14 2007 at 9:02 PM
Please ask retirement plan questions (how can I? How Much can I put away? Which plan is best for me?) and how to buy tax deductible life insurance in the plan!
Jun. 15 2007 at 10:21 AM
are distributions taxed as ordinary income?  if so, what is the advantage to an employee owner solo law firm over stocks that tax at the lower capital gains rate?James Lindon, Ph.D. Patent Attorney
Lindon & Lindon, LLC
Cleveland, Ohio
Patents, Trademarks, Copyrights, Pharmacy Law, Litigation
[this is not legal advice - provided for discussion only]
Intellectual Property for the Individual and Small Business: Identify, Protect, Enforce, Defend.
"Fools rush in where angels fear to tread."
http://www.LindonLaw.com/
Jun. 15 2007 at 6:33 PM
401kAdvisor Posted by: 401kAdvisor

Well first, money contributed to a retirement plan is pre-tax for the employee or 100% tax deductible for employer contributions. (in solo(k) the employer and employee can be the same person), so that’s a big benefit to using a plan in addition to what you are already doing.

Pre-tax contributions are taxed as ordinary income when a distribution is made but loans are not taxed…; Participants (employer/employee for solo(k) plans) may take up to a 50% loan and payback with interest (interest paid to yourself) over a maximum 5 year period (depends on plan document). In addition, since there is now a Roth provision (allows after-tax contributions to grow tax-free) in most (depends on plan document) 401k plans the distribution of the principal portion is treated similar to a Roth IRA.

However, there are definitely advantages to owning stocks that pay dividends at a reduced tax rate outside of a retirement plan; also, you may find that a managed portfolio of Municipal ETFs can provide tax-free income, which can be a good use of your taxable money, but it depends on your situation.

I hope this answers your question, and I may have raised a few extra!

This is not meant as advice, advice is given on a one-on-one basis and this discussion is meant to be general in nature to help those that have some questions in general. If you have specific questions please feel free to email me at aaron@smithadvisor.com or visit my profile to see more.

 



Edited by: 401kAdvisor - Jun. 15 2007 at 6:47 PM
Please ask retirement plan questions (how can I? How Much can I put away? Which plan is best for me?) and how to buy tax deductible life insurance in the plan!
Jun. 16 2007 at 11:55 AM
JohnCorey Posted by: JohnCorey
daleyfla99 wrote:

I too am a former advisor and what clicker says
applies to all things, caveat emptor and do your homework.  My new book
What to do with your 401(k)
www.bridging2wealth.com
discusses all weather investment allocations for 401(k)s since most
advisors will not advise on them, since they don't get paid typically for
that. 


It does not matter what you do for your retirement, you do need to do
something for yourself.  The government is NOT going to take care
of your retirement for you.  The traditional retirement model is DEAD. 
That's why most of us are here at SN, we understand that the days of
giving your life to a corporation and then they take care of you are
numbered. 


I think Aaron was just sharing an opinion, everybody knows we startups
don't have any money.....



I like the point you are making about the need to take action and to think.
Expecting the government to pick up the pieces is not wise.

As you mentioned how advisors tend to focus on what they are licensed
to sell (or are able to earn a fee on), does the book discuss investing in
various forms of real estate with a retirement account? Either buying
property or buying a note secured by property?
John Corey
Real estate investor, 20+ years - multiple US states and UK
Free advice for real estate investors
Questions welcome and encouraged.

Jun. 16 2007 at 11:58 AM
JohnCorey Posted by: JohnCorey
Aaron,

Great post. Some things really are best done by people who spend their full
working day focusing on the activity. An entrepreneur rarely has the time to
study the tax code, learn about all the possible investments, etc.

Stick to your knitting and hire specialists for their knowledge and history in
the field. Most of life is that way so it should not be different for a small
company.John Corey
Real estate investor, 20+ years - multiple US states and UK
Free advice for real estate investors
Questions welcome and encouraged.

Jun. 16 2007 at 1:47 PM
glgcpa Posted by: glgcpa
In addition, although a 401(k) is an excellent vehicle to help save for retirement it is not always the best retirement vehicle.  It really depends on your complete business and personal situation, how much money you have to put away, what your age is, what other retirement resources you have or don't have available, etc.  Gina L. Gwozdz, CPA
http://GLGcpa.com
http://TaxTreasures.com
Jun. 16 2007 at 2:32 PM
i'm still not sure why the lower capital gains treatment of stocks or mutual funds does not trump everything [including tax deferred] for long term money.James Lindon, Ph.D. Patent Attorney
Lindon & Lindon, LLC
Cleveland, Ohio
Patents, Trademarks, Copyrights, Pharmacy Law, Litigation
[this is not legal advice - provided for discussion only]
Intellectual Property for the Individual and Small Business: Identify, Protect, Enforce, Defend.
"Fools rush in where angels fear to tread."
http://www.LindonLaw.com/
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