| Oct. 11 2006 at 10:20 PM |
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I saw some people's profiles that their business are associated with payitforward4profits.com / 3stepsecret.com. I was curious and checked out their site. Then I did some searches on Google to find out more about the business. I was troubled by some of the information found on the internet. I am posting some of the links about the business. I am not smart enough to know the validity of the claims (from both sides). Maybe someone here can enlighten me.
http://www.paul-birdsall.info/
http://www.netmarketingforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=97037
http://www.wahm.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=197473&PN= 1& (or http://tinyurl.com/s2s7u, if the link doens't show up properly)
Edited by: netuser - Oct. 11 2006 at 10:23 PM
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| Oct. 11 2006 at 11:19 PM |
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Netuser,
Husksters have been around since man began. Remember, if it sounds to good to be true, it probably is. There is no such thing as get-rich-quick, IMHO. If you want to be an entreprenuer, find something you love to do. Make your advocation you vocation. Define your definiteness of purpose. Plan. And work the plan. Success is not an overnight thing. It takes work. Forget the husksters. They will never go away and there is a sucker born every minute.
"First comes thought; then organization of that thought, into ideas and plans; then transformation of those plans into reality. The beginning, as you will observe, is in your imagination." ~ Napoleon Hill
R@ Richard Arnold · Key Concept Writers · Business Communication: The "Key" To Success· Law of Attraction Blog · Life Ain't Brain Surgery Blog
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| Oct. 12 2006 at 1:43 AM |
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Lesson learned long ago:
In the California gold rush days, there were countless people who were
gonna get rich fast. They were gonna find gold in them thar hills!
Y'know who made the money and got rich? The people who sold the wagon
wheels, bags of flour, cooking pots, sieves, clothes, boots, tents,
hammers, and so forth. The suppliers.
Sure, one or two people would strike it rich, and then hordes would run
over there to get rich too. But the stories (legends) of those super
strikes was enough.
On the one hand are the legends you see on get rich doing nothing
sites. On the other are the biographies of todays and yesterdays'
millionaires. I tend to spend my time reading the biographies, not
bothering with sites that promise the moon. :-)
Craig Landes
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Defining the undefinable. "There are 10 kinds of people in the world---those who understand binary numbers and those who don't." - Unknown
International Society of Curmudgeons
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| Oct. 15 2006 at 8:35 PM |
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Aww man, Well i hope it's not a scam, because i signed up for it, and Craig, i'm not trying to get rich quick, But i am trying to get rich, i HATE going to work and clocking in every morning, and having people tell me what to do, I have read everything, Robert Allen, Napolean Hill, Robert Kiyosaki, *grin* even Suze Orman, I've joined a very reputable network marketing business, i;ve been in it for a year, i see others making money before my eyes, but it's coming real slow for me, honestly, i am getting impatient, i'm young and i have a goal, and time is passing and it seems as if i'm not making much progress, so i grab at alot of things hoping to grow my business. **ONLY LOSERS PAY FOR LEADS** Discover how average people with no marketing backgrounds are getting prospects to pay them....NEVER PAY FOR TRAFFIC AGAIN!!!
www.payitforward4profits.com/melzii
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| Oct. 15 2006 at 9:48 PM |
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Here's a principle of statistics: Just because many things are a scam, not ALL things are a scam! :-)
More importantly, in order for something to work as a scam, it has to
first be formulated on something close to worthwile. It's like a good
lie begins with a grain of truth.
As long as you're cautious, skeptical, and have some critical thinking
going on, even if it turns out to be a scam, you'll have learned
something useful. I'll bet most entrepreneurs have at least ONE
experience of signing up for stamping envelopes, selling something, or
MLM efforts. :-)
Craig Landes
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Defining the undefinable. "There are 10 kinds of people in the world---those who understand binary numbers and those who don't." - Unknown
International Society of Curmudgeons
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| Oct. 15 2006 at 10:15 PM |
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I do not know why you call Paul and Joel programs a scam?
They offer established MLM companies and a step by step Internet Marketing plan. I been in MLM industry for 15 years and see nothing wrong with PIF4P.
It's a wonderful and organized internet marketing system.
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| Oct. 16 2006 at 12:07 AM |
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No, I'm not
calling a particular program a scam. I'm only saying that it takes some
critical thinking before jumping into one of these kinds of setups. I
think that was the initial topic idea, to do some research before just
going for an ad.
I agree that not all MLM offerings are a scam, and that's my main
point. Although many things can be something, not ALL of those things
are that way. Finding a legitimate opportunity is great.
ConservativeJim's comment provides some external credibility, also part
of the initial research.
Craig Landes
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Defining the undefinable. "There are 10 kinds of people in the world---those who understand binary numbers and those who don't." - Unknown
International Society of Curmudgeons
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| Oct. 16 2006 at 12:49 AM |
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conservativejim wrote: I do not know why you call Paul and Joel programs a scam?
They offer established MLM companies and a step by step Internet Marketing plan. I been in MLM industry for 15 years and see nothing wrong with PIF4P.
It's a wonderful and organized internet marketing system.
Great! So how long have you been with PIF4P? As stated in my original post, I found some negative information on the website about PIF4P. I am just confused about that information and your "testimonial". So if PIF4P is indeed not a scam, then could you check out the urls that are in my original post and address their "accusation"? I am a potential customer. But I want to feel confident about what I will be buying, right?
As a saying goes, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, you can be reasonably sure it is a duck. At least that is what the information on those urls are saying. So do please tell me why it is not a duck.
Thanks.
Edited by: netuser - Oct. 16 2006 at 12:50 AM
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