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At war with the boss

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    January 16, 2007 1:01 PM EST

    Repeat to yourself every day, morning, noon & night: "I will never get rich working for someone else."  This will help inspire you to break out on your own. Until then, you can try to ease the pain by reminding yourself you are choosing to stay in the job because it offers you benefits....x,y,z.  And set goals for when you want to be out of the job and onto bigger and better things.  Being in a horrible job situation is not a requirement of life.  Freedom, however, IS!

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    January 10, 2007 11:19 AM EST

    the bosses said "You`re all making strides toward this position and one day we hope to promote you to that role".

    Think of all the extra "work" as on the job training.  Don`t worry so much about the pay.  When your PE (performance evaluation) time rolls around, just make sure the "extras" are noted and that you are being evaluated accordingly. Put yourself in a better negotating position for future openings.  Should you apply for a position for which you are qualified (PE) and don`t get, they will have to justify not giving you position.  So use the "extra" work experience to build a killer resume.

     

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    January 16, 2007 4:52 AM EST
    To Nothing Like it,

    Corporate America has gone down hill... There really are no more "careers" where employees will spend 30 years working for the same company and retire with the gold watch and pension. It seems most job are just projects, a few years here, a couple there.

    Your employer does not care about you, additionally they see an opportunity to take advantage of their employees and exploit them. It would not surprise me if their next move was to eliminate benefits and steal their employee`s 401K money.

    It is always shocks  me when I see a company that does not appreciate their most valuable asset... EMPLOYEES! Good ones are very hard to find.

    The bottom line is that you work for a company that does not want to recognize hard work and that refuses to reward their employees... This will NEVER change because your company lacks leadership.

    You don`t have to accept this. There are still a few good employers in the "real world" but they are few and far between. It sounds like you are ready to make something happen for you and that is great. Do you know what that is or are you looking for suggestions for your own startup?

    The Bible says that "As a man thinkith in his heart so is he." What do you see yourself becoming? Figure that out and you have started your journey. Look for a new job and ditch the bank... believe me when I tell you that you can learn nothing there except how to take advantage of people. Find an employer that offers more.

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    January 10, 2007 4:23 PM EST

    NLI.

    I suggest you read "How to Win Friends and Influence People" by Dale Carnegie if you have not already done so in your life. If necessary, read it several times. Adopt the teachings and lessons. As you continue through life, uses these principals, life will become better for you - it just will. Do not let people like your boss impede your growth as a productive and happy human. He will not be the last of his kind that you will encounter if you are lucky enough to live a long life. Prepare yourself with a positive mental attitude and you will be unstoppable.

    Short term - move on. Good tellers are hard to find.

    R@

    keycon2007-1-10 22:25:41

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    January 10, 2007 6:16 PM EST

    NLI,

    Since I lasted posted a few hours ago, I pondered your post. You came to the SuN for a reason. Most working stiffs would never come here ... unless they don`t want to be a "working stiff" the rest of their lives.

    I suspect you have higher aspirations. What are they? Did you really ask your question so a bunch of startup entreprenuers would answer it? Or were you asking really deeper questions of yourself? I suspect the latter.

    What is it you really want to do? What business is in you? The SuN can help.

    Don`t die not knowing.

    R@

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  • January 10, 2007 10:07 AM EST

    Personally, I would learn everything I can about everything there is to know in your industry no matter what it takes.

    Then I would take that good, solid experience with me somewhere else for higher pay and more education in the field you`re in.

    Bosses [for the most part] will always be the same so gain the experience and accomplish everything you can.

    Be happy but never completely satisfied or you`ll stagnate somewhere along the line.  And never think you know everything there is either or you`ll stop learning and let yourself down.

    My motto is to keep my ears and eyes open and my mouth shut.  Not only will you not make a fool of yourself but you`ll learn very quickly who does.

     

  • January 10, 2007 11:48 AM EST

    To iouone2, thanks! 

    "Do yourself a favor. If you want to work for someone else, be or do what they cannot be or do. That also is to say, be and do what others cannot, or will not do."

    I could not have said it better myself.  People are not irreplaceable but if you`ve got something no one else does, you`ll be more marketable and companies will be hard-pressed to find it again if you leave.

    Don`t be afraid to outdo or outperform others.  Drive and ambition are seldom seen in the work place these days ~ you WILL draw attention.  [Sometimes good, sometimes bad.]

    "You are here to do what I tell you to do. If you don`t like it leave. "

    I worked for someone once who told me, "I pay you and I can talk to you any way I like."

    I had spent a couple years working for him and taking his "orders" and his BS talk and bullying ways, so I walked out, never to return.

    Now, he`s a client of mine ~ LOL ~ and pays a higher premium to "talk to me any way he likes" but he doesn`t.

    I think, for some, they have to respect the level you`re on first before they treat you right.  As a business owner, I am now his equal and he tells me all the time he couldn`t do what he`s doing without me.

    I don`t recommend walking out just because someone doesn`t treat you right, however.  That`s not the point I was trying to make, nothinglikeit.

    There is no such thing as "instant gratification" if you want to get anywhere in this life.  Nine times out of ten what you thought you wanted [and got] doesn`t turn out the way you thought it would be.

    Be patient until you have the experience and confidence to make the next move.  The long, hard battle is well-worth the struggle to get through it.

     

  • January 10, 2007 12:42 PM EST

    Raisecapital02 ~ if you`re talking about eliminating high-dollar employees to save a buck, I agree.  It`s too bad, but it IS a fact of life and happens all the time.  But no one has to bully someone into leaving.  There are plenty of ways to do it without demeaning the employee.

    The SMART manager will be able to recognize talent and add/subtract responsibilities based on the level he wants you to be at next but will also treat you with decency and respect at every step so you can trust him/her to ease you into it without major problems.

    Creating a job profile is not an easy task because not everyone considered for the position will fit the duties so often-times it`s necessary to adjust it to the employee.

    The smart manager will also know when the level of performance of an employee is below par and deal with it accordingly.  Being honest and up-front is best. 

    Something to consider as well ~employees are always worried about the reference they`re going to get from their past employers.

    What alot of people don`t think about is that managers get a reference, too.  Especially if the employee gets hired by a competitor within the industry.  Someday that  "bully" may need a character reference from the same employee he pushed out the door.

    People talk.  And that`s a fact of life, too. 

     

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    January 10, 2007 8:56 AM EST

    Hey all,  I`m sorry if this post comes off as a blog or whining. I just wanted to see if this was a fairly common thing in the working world.

    I`ve only been a part of the "real world " for a few years now and already I want out.

    I work as a teller. I``ve done so for almost 3 years now. For about a year my boss has been steadily piling more responsibilities on us. It started out by showing us how to set up simple savings accounts for our members. It has since graduated to we (the tellers myself included) helping the members solve fraud issues, ordering checks, filing loan requests and in some cases closing those loans. This used to be the work of a customer service rep but when one left and the other one got promoted they got smart and decided to teach the tellers to do the work but not pay us for said work. So I brought it up in a meeting, the bosses said "You`re all making strides toward this position and one day we hope to promote you to that role" I rebutt that we`re doing the work now and ask why we haven`t been paid for the work and when we would get promoted and get raises. They told me they don`t have a time frame.

    Yesterday I get transfered to work at another branch. They do this quite often. Somedays I come to work, start working and get told i must balance and go help someone else. I never complain but I finally decide to let them hear about it. My boss responds in the most a*****ish (pardon my french) way possible.

    He says "You go where we send you plain and simple" and "we`ve been nice enough to give you hours when school didn`t work out for you." Those were two of the most condesending things someone has EVER said to me.

    summary:" my boss says he`s the boss i`m the pawn do as I say" Should I expect more of this from other employers or was I just lucky enough to get a jerk as a boss? Sorry for the length


    (this post was edited by Joel Welsh only for a single unfriendly word)
    Joel2007-1-15 8:36:32

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    January 19, 2007 7:31 AM EST

    NLI,

    Since I lasted posted a few hours ago, I pondered your post. You came to the SuN for a reason. Most working stiffs would never come here ... unless they don`t want to be a "working stiff" the rest of their lives.

    I suspect you have higher aspirations. What are they? Did you really ask your question so a bunch of startup entreprenuers would answer it? Or were you asking really deeper questions of yourself? I suspect the latter.

    What is it you really want to do? What business is in you? The SuN can help.

    Don`t die not knowing.

    R@

     

    Wow I haven`t checked this thing in about two weeks, I didn`t set the posts to reply to me automatically via Email, and I thought no one had responded. I`d like to thank everyone for their responses and advice.

     

    First Inonue2 I`d like to say that it`s awesome that you realize the value of your employees.

    Keycon I quoted you because you are correct, I did come here for a reason. I`ve read a lot of emerging enterprise/small business books lately, SuN included. I loved the indepenedent spirit of it. Starting a business has been something on my mind since the senior year of High School. I am now in a position to start my Multimedia (games, web development/design, graphic design) business.

     

    On a side note, Inoue you mentioned that the report was skewed, which is true, there are 2 sides to every story. I turned in my 2 week notice last week, however, instead of simply saying "okay" my bosses and I were able to talk it out and reach resolutions. I may have been too quick to react. That action proved he cared more than I thought he did. I now see that my boss isn`t the worst one I`ve ever had, especially in light of some of the responses posted in this thread. I will still leave the job eventually, but I`ve decided that instead of bouncing from job to job, I will leave this job to start my own company. So I have decided to learn everything  I can here, and use this information to start my own business.

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    August 21, 2010 1:26 PM EDT

    excellent discussion and very strong points.  let's not forget that our bosses are people just like us, who probably hate the situation they are in themselves.  but unfortunately, they are stuck in the rat race like everyone is for all the various reasons (or excuses) that are around us.  truth is, most people are stuck in their corporate jobs and they just don't know what to do about it.

    i have written extensively about this topic on my blog (below).  corporate america can be ruthless, it turns even the nicest people into the war lords we have all referred to in this post.

    http://easyextramoneyonline.com/blog/2010/08/why-do-most-people-feel-stuck-at-their-corporate-jobs/

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    January 10, 2007 9:29 AM EST
    Actually nothinglikeit.... You are right on the money if you count my experience. I have found VERY FEW employers who gave a damn about the feeling or long term desires of an employee. This includes many of the bosses who treat you with kindness. Can you imagine what they would really say if they were not being watched?

    My wife had her employer tell a co-worker, "You are here to do what I tell you to do. If you don`t like it leave. I can find another worker by the end of the day."

    My wife quit 5 days later due to her hearing this conversation. I just don`t understand that mentality.

    You see, there is always another fish in the sea.

    Do yourself a favor. If you want to work for someone else, be or do what they cannot be or do. That also is to say, be and do what others cannot, or will not do.

    Otherwise, start on your life plan and create a business, niche, and happy way of living. I still float in and out of positions which I have a "boss." At least when you`re freelancing you can choose your greatest partners/employers.

    I would love to work for someone else if my talents were really appreciated by them. The problem is, you never know who`s blowin smoke up your butt so they don`t have to rehire. It`s easy for people to lie nowadays.

    Boss says, "Great job today! Tomorrow I might have to ask for your help moving these desks and boxes. I know you`re really the phone operator here, but can you help between calls?"

    What do you think he`s really saying?
    iouone22007-1-10 15:31:58

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    January 10, 2007 10:54 AM EST
    CrossCountry... Perfect advice.

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    January 16, 2007 5:45 AM EST
    I think some your comments here are a bit skewed. I believe there are many managers with poor "management" skills, when it comes to employee retention. I  also agree that many employment opportunities are more of “project” positions. Loyalty is an issue.

    At the same time, I for one, care intensely about my employee(s). I depend on them. I don’t have many, and sometimes the work is hired at temporary. But honestly. I believe there are many employers with the best intensions when it comes to employee retention. The problem is, many time the “caring” bosses are busy running a business and leave “employee management” to the managers with little inspirational skills, or non-team oriented people.

    Truly, it is the team which takes the company to a higher level. It is a VERY RARE occasion for a single person to achieve greatness without the help or following of others.

    Keep your chin up. Bosses are like anything else in life. There are the good and the bad. There are also the mediocre bosses. Only the good bosses propel your career to another level by sharing useful knowledge or making career advancement opportunities available.

    Just because you have 99 bosses, which act more like asses, doesn’t mean your next boss isn’t the best you have ever had.

    Don’t get discouraged. Just keep taking positions and opportunities, which DO offer you a challenge and tend to develop long-term skills you would like to develop.

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