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houseofjerkyjanie

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Sep 05, 2008 7:34 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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 I just saw this-
 
Case in point: Harry & David~
 
For the pricey pears and gift baskets in its holiday catalog out this week, the retailer has trimmed shipping charges by up to one-third from last year`s rates. That`s despite the fact that the fuel surcharges that retailers pay big shippers are now about twice the level of last year. Harry & David isn`t taking any chances that shipping fees might scare off would-be buyers during the season when the gift company generates two-thirds of its business.
 
Janie
houseofjerkyjanie

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Sep 05, 2008 7:56 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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That`s it,... the big boys can absorb those costs, at least for a holiday season..
 
 I agree with Bert`s post.  We handle shipping, as a cost of doing business.
houseofjerkyjanie9/5/2008 8:20 PM
bert

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Sep 08, 2008 12:01 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Jamie, I think this is going to be a very interesting holiday season this year.  I think there will be a big growth overall in on-line sales even though it may be lackluster year for the retail industry as a whole.  There will be big winners on the Internet while one sees many have very poor sales and die in the first quarter of 2009.  With the big boys playing more this year than ever before, it will be a real fight for that sale on-line for the small business.  It will not be business as usual on-line.

 

In the last year many big players have opened on-line stores that have never been there in the past.  Just check out http://www.InternetRetailer.com to see the names now showing up on-line.  Several new ones daily.  Most of the big guys offer free shipping or in-store pickup.  I think this is a small business wake-up call.

 

 



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Bert at Harvey Software, Inc.
Multi-Carrier Shipping Software and Supply Chain Solutions for Internet Retailers

Also a provider of free shipping information and resources at Harvey Software`s Parcel Shipping Blog along with free tracking solutions at TrackingPage.com...
houseofjerkyjanie

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Sep 08, 2008 1:31 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Interesting.  I receive Harry & David`s newsletter.  So today, I just got this.
 With everything else going UP, you`ll be happy to know our delivery
charges are DOWN for most orders! We didn`t want this year`s fuel
costs to put a damper on your holiday gift-giving
 
I think we will address this too.  With fuel  costs going up, we still offer free shipping and haven`t changed our prices in a long time.
 
Smart, it`s only September and they are already talking to their customers about holiday gift giving.
 
Janie
 
houseofjerkyjanie9/8/2008 1:41 PM
DipLady

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THMBJINC, This was one of the things that I worried about when we set up our site. My problem is that our items are fairly low dollar items. I take that back, they are not fairly low dollar items, THEY ARE low dollar items. On average, they sell for $3.00 - $3.50 each. Our lowest shipping & handling cost is $5.50. So, if someone orders 3 mixes for $10 and have to pay $5.50 to get them, shipping is half again of what they purchased. The shipping rate then goes up in increments, depending on the number of items purchased.
 
Because of the number of orders we get (daily), I had to hire a service to handle this for me. The $5.50 base covers the cost of materials needed to ship, the actual cost of the shipping and helps offset what I pay the service to ship my materials.
 
I wish there was another way around this, but I believe most persons purchasing via online stores expect to pay some sort of shipping and/or handling.
minimegeology

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Thank you for all of the great information in this thread.  Bert - I really appreciate all of the time you took to look at our sites and give us some advice.  I spent some time going to old sales and shipping costs and completely revised our shipping charges.  I hope that over time we can expand our shipping options as you suggest as well to keep reducing costs to the customers.
 
Tracy


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Giverny, Inc. / Mini Me Geology
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bert

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Sep 09, 2008 4:33 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Tracy no thanks necessary.  I enjoy working with small businesses.  It helps to keep my Startup Attention Deficit Disorder in check.  Let me know how your changes workout for you.

bert2008-9-9 16:33:29


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Bert at Harvey Software, Inc.
Multi-Carrier Shipping Software and Supply Chain Solutions for Internet Retailers

Also a provider of free shipping information and resources at Harvey Software`s Parcel Shipping Blog along with free tracking solutions at TrackingPage.com...
bert

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DipLady, I do not agree with you totally.  Most people shopping on-line are looking for the best deal and competition for buyers’ dollars are becoming very keen in the current market.  If your competitor offers free shipping and you don’t, you may lose the deal.  Free and flat rate shipping is a sales tool that is becoming very popular.  I think the days of expecting shipping charges is rapidly changing.  Buyers want to know the total costs up front and quickly.  No hidden costs.

 

In looking at your web site and I noticed you charge for shipping by the total dollars they spent.  This is a good start.  If your goal is to sell more by charging for shipping using the dollars spent method, I would question if a simpler approach would not yield in a greater return.  Your current pages cause the customer to do a lot of work to figure out the best deal.  I think how you are doing it is better than ZIP code based shipping but I think there is still too much work involved.

 

Have you ever considered building your cost of shipping into the price of your products?  For example if you sold a single product for $8.50 but you offered 3 for $15.00 (really no different in real dollars) I think buying decision would be easier for the customer to make.  Remember web shoppers sometimes just spend a few seconds at your site.  If you complicate getting to the bottom line or appear to have hidden costs, they will be gone.  Also, I agree with you saying your $3.50 cost $5.00 to ship seems bad from the buyers perspective.  In fact it might scare some off before they figure out your offer.  Since you sell a gourmet product I really do not think adding them together would scare off buyers.  In fact, I think they would say: “If I buy 3 I get one free with no other hidden costs!”

 

If you are afraid of raising your prices you may be shocked to hear that that can sometimes increase your sales volume and dollars.  But that is another subject.

 

I realize I do not know your business and may be missing some important points, but I thought I would offer my two cents.  I hope this is helpful!



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Bert at Harvey Software, Inc.
Multi-Carrier Shipping Software and Supply Chain Solutions for Internet Retailers

Also a provider of free shipping information and resources at Harvey Software`s Parcel Shipping Blog along with free tracking solutions at TrackingPage.com...
houseofjerkyjanie

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Sep 09, 2008 10:14 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Hi Dip lady,
 
Bert has a lot of great info for us, doesn`t he?  I agree with him.  Shipping small purchases with a high shipping cost doesn`t make sense to anyone.  I think it is a good idea to package your dips together, in various ways. Maybe with themes.
 
We have one oz and two oz packages, but only sell them in a multiple variety. Our sales price of a 2 oz package at $5.00, doesn`t make sense to send alone, and add a shipping cost of approximately $4.00.
 
Know you`re packageing.  If you can send it USPS with delivery confirmation, it`s probably the best way for small packages. For heavier packages get your zone and fuel charges from the company you want to work with. Go to zone 8, and figure what it`s going to cost, to ship it farthest. Our prices might be a little higher, but if you can figure out how to make your pricing to work out for you, and make your customers happy that you can offer them an easy way to check out with  free shipping, .........it is an alternative that you might want to look into.
 
Janie
houseofjerkyjanie9/9/2008 10:34 PM
DipLady

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Sep 09, 2008 10:42 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Bert, good points. However, what it really boils down to is a price game and how you want to play it. Everyone plays the game. So, which way is better? Keep your cost of your product low and have a shipping and handling charge, or, try to roll the shipping and handling in by raising the cost of your product and not having the shipping and handling, or maybe a reduced shipping and handling. It is all smoke and mirrors.
 
I happen to think it drives the purchases on my site up, rarely do people only order a few packs, if I am looking at the site and I am going to purchase some mixes, I am going to get as many as I can for the lowest shipping cost. So, if they can purchase up to $24 and ship for $5, they can purchase 8 mixes for a total of $29 (inc.shipping and handling), this averages out to $3.62 a pack, not bad. If I raised my prices to say $5 a pack and did away with the shipping and handling, they would only get 6 packs for $30. My way, they get 2 extra packs for $1 less. If I raised the prices to $5 and rolled in the shipping, I would make more on a sale, but, I would rather my customers get the added packs and the savings, they are my inspiration and the fact that they keep returning and returning is fantastic. Most order in excess of 6 packs at a time, so it works.
 
I am very aware of these games, everyone is playing them, however, if you are savvy and really watch, the "no shipping, or reduced shipping deals", they usually are not in the buyers favor.
 
For instance, when I buy supplies, I was buying from a place that if I ordered $99, shipping was free, but, I paid enough extra per pound for certain products that it actually ended up being cheaper for me, per pound, to buy from another company and pay the actual shipping. So, guess who I`m ordering supplies from. . .LOL. . .I pay for shipping. You really have to be careful.
 
Because we have 3 avenues of sales, craft/trade shows, retail stores we wholesale to, and, our website, I like to keep the cost of my products the same. We sell the mixes at the same prices via all 3 avenues of sales. If we are at a craft show and someone says "how do I get more", I direct them first to the nearest store selling our product and then to the website to either check what upcoming shows we will be at, or to order online. They know if they can get it at a store or a craft show, they will avoid the shipping, but, there are many that need things immediately or just want the ease and convenience of ordering online. By keeping the costs the same, no one has an advantage over the other. I also like to push my stores that are wholesaling from us over anything else. It is very important to me for them to be successful, and, the more successful they are, the more successful I am, it is a win-win for both of us.
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