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madnonnie

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Nov 29, 2007 7:34 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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LOL thanks  Craig. It cant hurt to ask... after all it is the season for giving.. I am sure some where out there right now a person is staring at the stars thinking to themselves.... "I wish I could help one person and make a difference in the world"...  A guy can dream right...
 
As for your suggestions. I am probably a year past that phase. I am very much (unfortunately) aware that this is a marathon and will take everything I have and then some. This is not my first rodeo so to speak with business just this type of business. I agree with your comment regarding "dirt excavation" lol  I was trying to give you an illustration... lol  I might have fallen short... But thanks for your thoughts. I have done everything that you are suggesting...  and then some... I am probably better off  than i give myself credit for but that`s just me.... Again I dont want this to be a programmer bashing.... It is what it is and I have to figure out how to make it work. However I would like to have Plan B if anyone out there has any advice. Thanks again!


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Jeff Kilgore

"Your life is designed to give you the results that you are getting"

Founder - Madnonnie.com

"It`s Like A Whole `Nother Internet"
CampSteve

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Nov 29, 2007 8:03 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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It sounds to me like you are looking for a knight in shining armor to assist you.  With each bit of advice you`ve gotten, you give thanks and say that you still want someone to come along and help.  There are people out there with a passion to help businesses get through the tough spots.  They are business coaches and you will probably find many by searching.  I know a guy who does business coaching and is a former web developer.  I`ve only met him a few times so I have no idea if he`s any good at it but it goes to show there are people out there who do exactly what you seem to be wanting.
madnonnie

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Nov 29, 2007 8:12 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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OK this sounds good. I have not tried this and perhaps it might work. Do you know one that specializes in the dot com world?  My main problem I believe is two part - One: Need for another cracker jack programmer - Two: Need for guidance through the treacherous Internet waters.

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Jeff Kilgore

"Your life is designed to give you the results that you are getting"

Founder - Madnonnie.com

"It`s Like A Whole `Nother Internet"
CraigL

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Nov 29, 2007 11:54 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Also, I know there are a lot of programming requests that seem to get answered through Elance.com. Have you looked around there?

Another aspect of Steve`s suggestion re a business coach, might be that you`re not comfortable truly delegating. Perhaps in the past you`ve been in more control than you think you were, and other folks didn`t like it so much? But to really delegate means you have to both let go of the process, but retain control of managing that process. Sounds like you`re more in a management problem, no?
madnonnie

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Nov 30, 2007 12:03 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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I don`t think so and I have no idea how you got that from anything I wrote. My problem is that I don`t have the programmers I need to complete the tasks on time and I am trying to avoid pit falls that come along with this type of business.  Can you elaborate on your comment.
 
By the way, I used elance.com and found it ti be filled with fraudulent people and programmers that could not produce what they said they could. If you have a small task it will work fine but we are looking for top notch programmers that Google would love to have.


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"Your life is designed to give you the results that you are getting"

Founder - Madnonnie.com

"It`s Like A Whole `Nother Internet"
nhgnikole

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Nov 30, 2007 11:51 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Do you have realistic expectations of how long development takes?
I mean, something may seem "simple"to you but require 500 lines of code from your programmer, and these things take time.

nhgnikole

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Nov 30, 2007 11:52 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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BTW - ask your current programmer to help you find another. He`ll surely know someone`s skill better than you.
madnonnie

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Nov 30, 2007 12:56 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Thank you for the suggestion, he has been but hasn`t had any luck. I agree totally, the site we are building is very complex and only in phase one of five phases. We cant seem to find programmers that are experienced and/or reliable. They say they can until we start and then it is apparent very quickly that they are not able to preform to his standards. It seems all the good ones are taken... lol
 
I don`t want anyone to assume that I am not thankful for your suggestions however it seems to take longer to explain our situation in a forum rather than a 20 minute phone conversation. Again we have a GREAT programmer it just seems that he is tired. We are looking for at least one more and probably two more in the near future. As for my other comment regarding guidance.... That could come from anyone at anytime. I can guarantee you that everyone here has something to offer each other whether its a name or a site or an "oh yea don`t do this"... I understand that the miracle man is not going to pop out but I would sure take the help if he did!
madnonnie11/30/2007 12:57 PM


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Jeff Kilgore

"Your life is designed to give you the results that you are getting"

Founder - Madnonnie.com

"It`s Like A Whole `Nother Internet"
nhgnikole

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Nov 30, 2007 5:27 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Well, in general, this is a problem. I mean, not just for you -- it`s a problem across the board, across the whole industry. I`ve heard the stories, so I know you`re not alone.

And it`s not surprising he`s tired, that`s a lot of work for one guy. What is your rate structure for such a thing? I mean, are you paying hourly? In equity? With part ownership? Salary? Do you require certain hours or do you have flex time? Are your rates competitive enough to get "good ones"?

And nah, the "good ones" program in PHP. Hahahahahahahhah. I might have some leads for you on ASP programmers ... I`ll PM you if I get any interest.

As Steve said, these things ALWAYS take longer than you think they will. It`s not a plug and play exact science.

CraigL

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Nov 30, 2007 7:00 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Jeff,
Okay, here`s what I`m seeing so far. It sounds as if you`re experienced in business, in the sense of having been involved with whatever number of careers, events, and projects. You`re not, for example, a minimum wage factory worker who`s decided to start a company. Right?

It also appears as if you have experience starting up various businesses, taking them into some level of success, and that you`re looking at yet another startup. Furthermore, it looks as if you`ve previously started companies based on skills you already possess to some level of sophistication. As such, you`ve been a sort of "hands-on" manager/owner.

If` I`m understanding this right, you`ve chosen to take your past experience and once again embark on the path toward a new business, only this time you`re including a necessary skill-set that you`re not personally familiar with. That would this programming we`re discussing, which means hiring or contracting a programmer.

From what I`m reading, you`ve encountered a major glitch with the programming end. I believe you said the phase-1 process has been completed, and that you`re now into a phase-2 process, which seems to involve regular programming maintenance and further development.

In this phase-2, you`re finding that your programmer won`t meet deadlines, falls behind on change requests, and generally isn`t keeping up with the business needs. I`m not sure if you said, but I seem to think that you`re using 1 programmer who`s been involved from the very beginning?

Your condition, if I`ve read it right so far, is very similar to other companies, all the way up to large-scale enterprises. You`ve got a conflict between the IT group and the Business group. (IT is technology, and Business is just that, running the business).

You only have a finite number of options, assuming you want to stay in business. I`ll list what I have, and perhaps others can modify or add:
  1. Close out the business and walk away totally (or sell the business)
  2. Fire the IT people completely and start over with a new group
  3. Bring to bear pressures of a "bad consquence" type on the IT people (e.g., lawsuits and threats of public floggings)
  4. Incentivize the IT people with a reward system
  5. Hire a "gunslinger" to take over the IT department and clean house
If you agree so far, then my whole "list" is essentially describing a management problem. You`re the boss---the manager. Things aren`t working right. You know this because the company isn`t moving forward according to a timeline (which we`re not yet sure is realistic, but we`ll assume it is). The company also is having trouble generating business because of a holdup in the IT section.

Many wealthy companies with unlimited budgets would simply "throw money at" the problem. You don`t have that option, and most other companies are in the same boat. So what do you do?

Successful management means knowing how to get the job done. If you don`t know, and you`re not getting enough help in this topic discussion, then the next option is to bring in an outside consultant. I`m suggesting it would be a management consultant. Others have suggested a business coach, but I don`t know what exactly that would accomplish.
CraigL2007-11-30 19:1:59
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