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wtwood5

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Jun 01, 2008 3:23 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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I am very uncertain about talking about my Invention. I am a very trusting soul and have been warned by many that if I am not careful someone will steal my idea. Well, it is SO HARD to keep quiet. I trust my family, friends and my coworkers.
 
I have a Patent Pending on this new invention. It is an invention that is mainly for children, basically simple, has NO competition whatsoever. It is amazing to many people that this product is not on the market, not even ONE THING like it. I have a patent agent that has helped me with my patent and he warned to keep my idea to myself.
Patent pendings, from Provisional patents, give you one year to test your product to see if it is marketable...how can you do that and keep your mouth shut at the same time? Then patents take 2-3 years to come through, so if I am supposed to be starting my new business and start marketing it like crazy ... how do I know someone wont steal it while the patent process is taking place. 
 
How can I feel comfortable discussing it with other inventors, on this site, on a TV show, or selling it online or being interviewed in the newspaper? Because I REALLY want to tell Donny, Oprah, Ellen and the morning show AND you... but I`ve been warned its not safe..?
 
When is it SAFE to talk to others and begin my road to success? 
 
Tracie
 
 
sddreamweavers

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Jun 01, 2008 6:32 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Two words:

Non-disclosure agreement

Get one drawn up by a lawyer and make whomever you talk to sign one before talking with them and make sure there are dire consequences if people break the agreement.



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TigerTaco

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Jun 02, 2008 1:33 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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The below is all in my humble opinion and based on what we`ve done as we`ve been doing what I think you`re thinking about.  Your lawyer should be your ultimate resource but you apparently still have questions and so I`m just telling you what I think based on our reading and advise (or how I "grok" that info) and isn`t USA/Int`l or based on knowing your IP but ours.
 
I think "patent pending" status goes from when you filed your provisional to when your patent is awarded; the year to "refine/test" is from your provisional date to when you file your design or utility application within one year.  We stopped using a NDA when we filled our provisional patent because our business is based on our invention and not other business methods which can also be disclosed -- we`re utility and not design, and our marketing is duh obvious, and so once our "eureka idea" was protected we didn`t need any other protection.
 
I think your protections are the same during this time and that`s your ability to sue/enforce your IP if someone is ripping off your invention/product ... you can`t: you can not use the courts to protect what has not been awarded as your property to protect.  Legitimate companies know your "patent pending" status will change and they`d be foolish to rip off your IP as they will loose at the point your patent is awarded and you can enforce what you`ve already been saying.
 
If your invention is that revolutionary then your patent should be broad/good enough to protect your market for many years without someone else being able to "improve" or invent around your fundamental claims; regardless of your "creative" (e.g., trademark/design/etc.) you should be able to own the market without any competitors just because they can`t do what you`re doing.
 
Putting it into real life, we`ve gone full steam ahead from the start, we`ve done everything we can to tell everyone about our tacos and so far there is only one small company that`s decided to rip us off kind of thing; hard to say what they are thinking as we`d been emailing back and forth and given them free tacos and all that jazz; and then a few months ago they just started selling a "tool" that does our utility ... made me furious/sad as they are Americans and have their own invention, but our legal said to just chill out until our patent is awarded.
 
The big companies who really could hurt our sales/market are not even close doing that kind of rip off; I can`t imagine they will/would because of the IP and how willing we are to work with everyone to solve the problem with boxes; but that doesn`t mean they are willing to work with us either until we have our patent in hand, we`ve shown there are buyers, and we`re a more professional company (we`re a two/three SKU company that just wants to have fun!~)
 
So, while I don`t know how you can do a NDA to SuN and the media, it might be the safest thing until you`re awarded your patent; I think the better option is to have the confidence and conviction of your idea and protected claims, and do everything you can to create and own your market without worrying about someone being a scum bag just because they can ...
 
Sorry for rambling; I hope this helps as it kind of shows how we`ve thought about the questions you`ve raised; I know what it`s like to go to a company like U-Haul who sells a lot of boxes (our market is box and tape buyers/users) with only a provisional knowing they could bury us if they wanted; and I know what it`s like to beat my head against companies like Uline and not get anywhere ... our failure is our immaturity and not a lack of IP protection (best money ever spent is on that); and we get to grow in some great places like SuN by being open and honest; even when we know everything here is available to the web where some parasites do sadly exist.


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Tiger Tacos in Australia
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wtwood5

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Jun 10, 2008 4:54 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Thank you, so much for your answers. I think I am worried because I have been warned and warned to "keep a lid on it." If I start my website and begin marketing.. it isn`t exactly keeping a lid on it! It is soo scarey! I do have a patent pending, so if I tell all of you what it is, do I need to worry?
tedATintermz

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Jun 14, 2008 6:38 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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This applies more towards investors but Guy Kawasaki says in his book The Art of the Start that you should never ask an investor to sign a non-disclosure agreement:

"Investors are looking for people who can implement ideas, not simply come up with them. Ideas are easy. Implementation is hard--and where the money is....The bottom line is still that the best protection of an idea is great implementation of the idea."

He also says that entrepreneurs should be pitching their ideas anytime their lips are moving.

I will be sharing the concept behind my website learning tool www.intermz.com with a large group of strangers next weekend at the Ann Arbor Startup Weekend. My hope is that a policy of openness will attract more people to my cause than being closed. But I may tackling a different kind of industry than you...

Good luck.

tedATintermz6/14/2008 6:42 PM


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sddreamweavers

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Jun 15, 2008 12:50 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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This applies more towards investors but Guy Kawasaki says in his book The Art of the Start that you should never ask an investor to sign a non-disclosure agreement:

"Investors are looking for people who can implement ideas, not simply come up with them. Ideas are easy. Implementation is hard--and where the money is....The bottom line is still that the best protection of an idea is great implementation of the idea."

He also says that entrepreneurs should be pitching their ideas anytime their lips are moving.

I will be sharing the concept behind my website learning tool www.intermz.com with a large group of strangers next weekend at the Ann Arbor Startup Weekend. My hope is that a policy of openness will attract more people to my cause than being closed. But I may tackling a different kind of industry than you...

Good luck.




That`s an excellent point.  I was referring to more along the lines of people who will be working directly on the idea.
sddreamweavers6/15/2008 12:55 AM


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awood@sddreamweavers.com

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enchantedtutu

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Aug 07, 2008 8:23 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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I am going through something sorta similiar.  Unfortunately I didn`t patent my product before starting to sell it and now I have a couple of people duplicating my design and I guess there is NOTHING I can do about.  I could just sit down and cry out of anger and frustration. 
wtwood5

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Aug 08, 2008 8:48 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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That is terrible,Is there nothing you can do? I am new at all this, but I would think if they arent stating the product is patent-pending, couldnt you file a provisional patent now and at least begin the process and hold a more current date? It is only $110 and you get a year to complete the patent. If I were you I would check their info on the product, if they arent stating it is a patent-pending product, I would file right away for a provisional. If they are selling it the way you are with no protection... your date of filing might beat anything they planned on doing.
go to www.uspto.gov -They also have a number you can call and speak with a patent agent, they will tell you what you can do. Its worth a try for sure!
Tracie

enchantedtutu

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Aug 10, 2008 1:40 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Hi Tracie,
Thanks for the advice.  I need to look into a provisional.  I found a great pro draftsman to draw what we`ve got already.  The whole process is incredibly expensive!  I have also contacted a lawyer.  Since I last posted one of the 2 women has taken 2 more of my designs to duplicate.  Just incredibly frustrating!!!!  I make tutus for non-profit organizations and they get proceeds from the sale of their tutu.. this woman is selling the exact replicas and these organizations get NOTHING.  Makes me so angry!!!  I can`t wait for your mystery item to come out so we can all see what it is!  I`ve got a 7 year old, 16 month old and 3 month old so I hope it`s something I can buy from you when it becomes available!!!

DeenaEsq

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Aug 10, 2008 5:32 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Enchanted Tutu,
 
Depending on how closely your design is being replicated and how it happened, you may have a case against the infringers for violating your copyright to the design.  I know how frustrating all of this can be.  I have a babycarrier business and it`s very hard to keep any new idea from being duplicated everywhere. 
 
If you have any questions, or if there`s anything I can help you with, let me know.
 
Deena
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