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A couple of most excellent answers to my question. I am quite intrigued by the difference in the answers received so far.

One think I know is this...if God were a business person he would operate his business with integrity. Nothing but the truth would be spoken. How wonderfully refreshing it would be today if business people said what they would do, and then did what they said. However, the rampant dishonesty found in business today is sure good for the lawyers and those who prosecute criminals and crime. How sad!

Thanks for your answers to the question.

To YOUR success!

Warmest Regards,

Harold

This may not be the answer to your question, but I will pose this.

What if all the business people ran their business as God would run his if he were a business person!?

What would the business land scape look like then I wonder?

As to what God would do if he (or she, want to be politically correct! lol) were a business person, I would have to agree that it would be ran honestly!  I wonder what his/her profit margin would be?  

Also, the reference to Ceaser, good point but it goes "give unto Ceaser what is due to Ceaser"  I don`t think that 10% is really the number that God (or his store fronts know as a church) is looking for.  What I think the message is, is to give back to "God", your community, and people in need.  This way, we all can succeed in "the business of life"!

Great question! 

Tony

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Tony Sorensen Performance Detailing www.performance-detailing.com info@performance-detailing.com tojealca@gmail.com

Tony,

Nice of you to respond to the question as well. In your questions are answers to the initial question to be sure. For example, you ask if God were a business person what would his profit margin be...indicating that you are answering that if God were a business person, he would achieve some sort of profit from his ventures. Knowing about God, I think his profit margins would be within an acceptable range, without compromising the care and well being of his workers. I can tell you this, he would not make millions and live lavishly while his workers struggled just to pay their basic bills for the necessities of life. Just a few more of my thoughts in the matter...to add to your most excellent questions and answers.

Thank You.

To YOUR success!

Harold

Yes, I do agree that dishonesty in business is everywhere.  In fact, I`ve noticed a huge increase in "stretching the truth" when it comes to advertising these days.

Somehow, I doubt God ever had to do that.  Sad how we have to read between the lines nowadays and still not buy, and if we do, we end up getting what we didn`t expect in some cases.

I find myseft returning purchases far more these days than I did 20 years ago...  Is it marketing or is it the quality?

jerik

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God is a business person.  He is in the business of glorifying himself and choosing a specific group of people that glorify him.  He is also glorified in dealing justly with those that reject him and die in their sin.

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James Lindon, Ph.D. Patent Attorney
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I wish to respond to the 2 previous posts. Thanks for sharing your thoughts about this question. There have been a diversity of answers and thoughts in relation to this question.

Cugelert poses an interesting question regarding marketing and product or service quality. To be sure in many cases, product and service quality has reached an all time low. Companies oversell and under deliver. "Get the money," and deal with the problems or issues later. Cingular Wireless and their "To Go" Phone service is an example. Great idea but the company did not put the technology in place for the customer service agents to help their customers when they had problems. To get the issue corrected I had to go through the CEO`s office and I did and I got my problem solved to be sure. Integrity is also a major issue...there appears to be no more moral absolutes. Lying is wrong, however, if...(And God forbid it, if a child lies to his parent-even though the child has caught the parent lying several different times...hmmm now that makes me wonder).  There are moral absolutes and that is absolute. LOL!

James answer was RIGHT ON as well. James I really do like your answer...whether we give God glory or not-he still gets it-as his creation with all of its splendor glorifies him.

Well, keep the answers coming. I am loving it to be sure.

Thank You

Harold Cameron
Chief of Helping People
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Another

Let`s assume you mean God in the sense of the Judeo-Christian religion. God is the all-powerful, all-knowing, omniscient Alpha and Omega of all of existence. A business person is someone who offers something of value in trade for something of value. What does God have to offer in trade that hasn`t already been given? What do we have to offer in trade that God could possibly want?

Theologically, God provides us with life as a free gift. Jesus, then, is His customer service chief of operations. Jesus has already interceded on behalf of any past and future possible customer complaints. All we have to do, according to the Bible, is agree that Jesus runs the CS department and actually has some authority there.

People try to bargain with God when something goes wrong. This would be like only dealing with a vendor when a product fails to work properly or doesn`t meet the warranty requirements. What product is God providing? Some would say our physical life. Others would say our immortal soul.

The problem is a failure to plan for obsolescence. In the nature of "immortal," the soul cannot wear out or be broken. Ergo, once the product has been sold, it never comes back. To that end, Jesus is a waste of corporate resources, as there would be no need for a Customer Service department.

Jesus will probably be either laid off, or the entire Customer Complaint department outsourced to India. In fact, in the 60s, always a leader in innovation, God did exactly this. Much of the younger population began to turn to India and Zen or Buddhism for support. So there you have it, Jesus has already been outsourced.

Another problem is the bottom line. God is selling a one-time product, and giving it away for free. What are His manufacturing costs? Presumably, a soul arises out of nothing more than a thought. There are no labor costs, no manufacturing plants, and no need for any tools. The best God might hope for would be to copyright the process and demand royalties. And, in fact, that`s what`s happening. Every time anyone goes to church to utilize their soul, they have to put money into a box as a royalty payment that goes to God.

There`s the old joke about the rabbi, priest, and minister, talking about their collection plate. The Priest says, "I take the money and divide it out, half to the Church, half to God." The minister says, "I do much the same, and give 10% to God, the rest to the Church."

The Rabbi says, "I pile it all into the basket, throw the money up in the air and say, `God...whatever you can catch, you can keep!`"

God is obviously a shareware developer, offering a trial usage of his Soul Program, with payment due on the honor system. If you like the application, you`re expected to pay for it. The question is how? Obviously, Satan is the head of the Collections and Accounting department. His minions can be found in the IRS, and collection agencies throughout civilization.

Like the Mafia, God has an excellent Accounts Receivable department. If you fail to pay an unspecified amount, you not only burn for eternity, you lose your immortal soul.

This brings up a contract and warranty issue, though. Is the soul truly immortal if it can be lost or destroyed? Is Satan in fact more powerful than God, if he`s able to destroy something immortal? That would make little sense, based on Biblical rules and regulations. To that end, Satan and God`s Collection agency are only a bluff. It`s like an IRS Audit, designed to scare people into paying what they don`t owe to an agency that does nothing.

Based on this analysis, God is either a flim-flam artist, or a silent partner. As such, God isn`t a business person, but a venture capitalist. "Go forth, be fruitful and multiply." Where have you heard THAT before?! Obviously, whenever anyone sends a dollar out into Wall Street and the financial markets.

The only question remaining is where did God come up with all that money to invest? My guess would be there`s an off-the-books 8th day of Creation nobody`s talking about, where God created an inestimable fortune, specifically set aside for either investment....or money laundering! We`ll just have to see what the United States District Attorney`s Office has to say, when someday they open an investigation into what REALLY happened on that 8th day!

Since God IS my Superior, I can tell you what kind of business He runs, and how thankful I am to work for Him. First of all, it`s a family owned business which consists of the Father , the Son, and the Holy Spirit. AKA;TRINITY. Now being that it`s Family owned and operated, myself and my co-workers are actually called His children. God doesn`t require us to be formal as to call Him sir, or Mr.God, or even bossman....no just call Him Father, as a matter of fact please, just call Him. Now not only does He have this family business that He calls us His children, but He has a Love for us that we cannot even begin to fathom. I mean He REALLY cares about His employees, so much so that He gave His Only begotten Son that we would have everlasting life. Now what kind of Boss does that for his employees? Not only that, but He also gives us FREEWILL.

Yep, we can do whatever we want, come and go whenever we want. There is no punching clocks or time sheets. We don`t even have to call in if we are sick.

He just keeps loving us no matter what. Now, if we choose to be evil and disruptive, then God`s so -called competitor(Satan) will step in and try to get us to come work for him. It may work for a minute, but not long, we always go back to work for the One who truly takes care of His employees (children), and the cool thing is He ALWAYS takes us back. NO MATTER WHAT! He continues to offer incentives such as inner peace, and gifts such as friendships and love and compassion. He even blesses us with children and homes, and scenery that`s out of this world. HE even offers us the best retirement package known to mankind: Eternal Life...WOW!!! and all He ask from us is to believe in Him, to accept His Son Jesus Christ, and to love Him......

I work for the Ultimate Family Business.....

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I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly. John 10:10b, NKJV.

ok this is candee`s fault Im posting here, she was the one that braught the thread up to a current post  , 

so I thank you Candee.

God is in business and has been since from the beginning.

The realization,  I had many years ago was that God is a Genious in the market industry.  Look at all the different religions that God has marketing to us,  by simply puting together different marketing strategies.

On a personal level, there are so many of us that are still available only because of God`s will.  Some who have devoted theirs lives towards God work, work which may not just be the spreading of the word but much more, the work of sacrifice, the work of helping other, the giving of themselve for the cause of God`s work.

With God`s work , One`s word means everything, One`s integrity is equally important.  All that makes God, well  God.

I believe that some people do God`s work without even realizing it and there are others who are devoted to it and are happy to lend their life long service.

I did a good job about leaving my personal experiences out of this post , which I feared I would not be able to do when I first started reading the thread..

.or did I???

I will say that  everything I have  , everything I know and  all of the future efforts I make, will be, because of the help of the Lord.

Whether you believe in God or not, you can believe in one thing, that some of us do the work of what God stands for.

Mike ....always working for a better today