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Saber102

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Jul 09, 2008 1:46 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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I know the last post is a bit old but I had to add my 2 cents. 
 
Books like "Think and Grow Rich" are decent, and I did read it, and maybe they motivate some people to do something but I`ve discovered it`s the same stuff repackaged. I stumbled across a book written long before that book (forgive me I don`t have info in front of me) and it was pretty much the same stuff.
 
"Sell the dream"....that`s a saying I`ve heard in the real estate seminar circles. People will pay big $$ for these seminars, then find another one, and buy books, and audio CD`s, and more info, but never do anything on their own.
 
The investors I know, understand there is a point at which you do NOT throw "good money after bad". They get to a point and just stop, take their losses and move on.
 


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If you want something you have to MAKE IT HAPPEN. No excuses. Take responsibility for your life. You have to push, push, push, and NEVER quit.

If you`re going to play the game, you have to know the rules.
DefMall

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Jul 09, 2008 4:26 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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I, too, realize I am getting in this conversation late...but I think there is a slight misinterpretation of the message here.
 
I do not believe that hte message is `never give up`. To Craig`s earlier point you DO have to know when you are thowing good money after bad.
 
But rather, the message is: Never Give Up trying to Find a Way to Reach your Ultimate Goal.
 
Let`s use Real Estate as an example, just becasue Saber brought it up.
If your Ultiamte Goal is to become a Real Estate baron, maybe your first inventment will turn out to be a worhtless money pit. Ok, so the mentality of `never giving up` and constantly throwing money at the investment is a poor choice...but the idea of selling it for a loss, learning from your mistakes, doing more research and trying again with a SECOND investment is a GOOD choice.
 
Therein lies the `never give up` mentality.
I think Hill was samrt enough...maybe by accident!...to not commit to the belief that you keep banging away at the same thing until you nail it.
 
Most of us here have learned enough about entrepeneurship to now that I am not telling you anything `new`...I just think Hill knew it too and was being vauge in how he presented it.
CraigL

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Jul 09, 2008 6:31 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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I think the message of this book, which grandfathered most modern self-help, inspirational, and motivational books, is that commitment to a goal is fundamental. Passion is an emotion, and more of a response, but commitment is an intellectual choice. Without that long-term, disciplined, total commitment, nothing much else will happen unless by luck.

We "feel" excited about something, and so we might analyze that something. If it`s intellectually and analytically a good idea, we make a judgment. That judgment is an evaluation---an emotion. Depending on the rest of what`s going on in our lives, the emotion may elevate to the level of a passion.

Additionally, a passion is toward an idea, where as a feeling is toward a tangible thing. TAGR is about the alignment between mind and feeling, commitment and long-term discipline.
DefMall

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Jul 24, 2008 11:25 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Craig and Travelencia seem to be citing the Mantra of `The Dip` by Seth Godin, also.
His book is about this very evaluation of when to cut your losses and when to persevere....
CraigL

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Jul 24, 2008 3:37 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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No, I have little interest in falling into platitudes---mantras---and certainly, I see almost no connection between TAGR and "The Dip." Godin`s book is about determining if or when to "cut your losses," through a complex set of analyses.

Think and Grow Rich uses the example of the gold mine, only as an example of how it may be premature to give up. Unfortunately, the book doesn`t examine the appropriate time to give up, and actually proposes there`s no point to ever giving up. However; it`s still only a minor aspect of the book, per sé. The major aspect is this belief that sheer mind power will totally rearrange all of reality.

Godin would never suggest that mind power alone is all that`s necessary to overcome "The Dip."
DefMall

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Jul 24, 2008 4:33 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Actually, I was saying that YOU were saying that inspite of TAGR`s, message you still have to know when to walk away (at least that`s what I understood you saying) and I felt the Dip also suggested knowing so...
CraigL

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Jul 25, 2008 2:09 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Ah...okay, I get it. :-) I got caught on the "citing" and "mantra," which implies that I and others, including Godin, are espousing some mindless sort of repetitive rule.
CraigL2008-7-25 2:10:36
Shokoya

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Feb 19, 2009 5:05 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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I, too, realize I am getting in this conversation late...but I think there is a slight misinterpretation of the message here.
 
I do not believe that hte message is `never give up`. To Craig`s earlier point you DO have to know when you are thowing good money after bad.
 
But rather, the message is: Never Give Up trying to Find a Way to Reach your Ultimate Goal.


Better late than never...

I`m currently reading TAGR for the second time...as part of a Bob Proctor Life Success Mastermind Group.

And I am getting so much more out the book this time around because of the questions and discussion points that come up.

The main thing I personally get from this book - and reading the success stories of other entrepreneurs - is that we each have the potential to acheive anything if our desire, belief in self and persistence are strong enough. Something that DefMall pointed out in an earlier post.

For me, the book encourages pursuit of what we really want from life -- and that even though we may have to change our plans for achieving it, we should never give up on the actual goal.

As to when or when not to quit - that is a challenge I`ve had for many years. But the more I begin to rely on intuition, the more I seem to personally get that decision right.

I think it`s important we recognise that with these type of books - just like the Bible, Quoran, Torah, etc - the reader will get out of it what they expect to. None of these books can account for every eventuality in life.

I also believe that because life is a growth and learning process, the best these books can offer us is some tools to guide us on our journey.

And just like schooldays -- it`s not the text book that will decide who gets an `A` or `F` grade. All else being equal, it`s really going to be down to how well the student studys, understands and makes use of the material.
Shokoya2/20/2009 8:13 PM
RosscoG

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Jul 10, 2009 11:44 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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This book is awesome.

That`s all I feel needs to be said.

They say "Art is Subjective", and well...

this book either speaks to you, or it doesn`t.



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