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jkdbjj

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Jan 07, 2007 8:29 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Hmm I am a bit confused by your answer. I read your profile and realize you like philosophy. I hope this isn`t a case of too much philosophy. With all do respect, this is a very general thread or topic, and you asked a simple and non-philosophical question, " how can one use this book in their day to day life?"

I gave one answer and it is as simple as that. I don`t swear by this book nor any other one single book. So, again forgive me for saying it sounds like you like to hear yourself talk as your answers completely didn`t address what I wrote as a response from your initial question.

I agree with you this book is not a holy grail, but a guide for those whom it makes since too, or whom it works for. I just merely pointed out how I can use part of it, just like I can use parts of hundreds of other books.

You asked a simple question, you got an answer, and then went off on a philosophical rant. So I am not sure I got your point as relating to your initial inquiry, you seem to have digressed.

However, let me finally say this. I think what you were initially trying to say, is that most people read a book like this get inspired for about 5 minutes and don’t apply it truly in their life. So the question then becomes, what was the point, other than a temporary sense of enlightenment. Bruce Lee the martial artists use to quote all the time, “You can’t merely learn, but you have to apply. Only then can we change what we learned to work for us and make it our own. Keeping what we make our own and discarding what we find useless.”

Take Care,
Mike

CraigL

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Jan 08, 2007 12:12 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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I think I see the point of confusion. First, it isn`t my thread. Secondly, it wasn`t "my question" in the sense that I had no idea how to use this book in real life, and was asking so I could find out what to do.

Instead, it was an open question, partly to the original poster, because I`m tired of people who say that some book changed their life, then can`t explain at all how. Then, partly to stimulate a conversation, which in my mind is the purpose of posting to forums in the first place.

It`s like when I work with computers. My computer works fine. I know how to fix it, make it hum, and have very few problems. I took the time, studied the machines, worked on software, and learned how to do all this. Most other people either don`t have the interest, or don`t have the time.

If they come to me asking for help fixing their computer, that`s one thing. But what I`ve also found is that when I ask them questions about how they think about computers in general, they sometimes get confused. They believe I`m asking about computers because I don`t know anything about PCs. In fact, I`m trying to give them some help in a diplomatic way, towards understanding why their machine is having trouble on a regular basis.

I already am an effective person, and could care less about reading another book. I don`t usually use books like that to redefine my life. However, I also know I`m in the minority. I read the posts on these boards, and they`re the same questions repeatedly. There`re always new people showing up, and it`s not so easy to read every single, previous thread. To make the discussion more "fresh," I tend to use questions.

To expand the conversation and build a dialog, I tend to enjoy using open-ended questions, rhetorical questions, and leading questions. That`s my style. Don`t mistake that style of conversation for my not understanding how to use a book of practical exercises. :-)

This isn`t a case of too much philosophy. It`s rather a case of highlighting that people can wander through life vaguely pointing to pretty objects and saying how important those objects seem to be. Or they can stop, really think about what they`re observing, and spend some effort to figure out why the object or observation holds more-than-passing interest for them.
jkdbjj

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Jan 08, 2007 12:27 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Peace to you CraigL, now that was a great reply! I hope I haven`t come off wrong to you. I respect what you do, I just wasn`t sure if you were glossing over my response. It seemed no one else tried to reply to your interjection to the thread, so I attempted to. It is clear you do understand, and we can leave it at that. I enjoy the posts I have read from you, and look forward to further dialog.

Mike

Jan 08, 2007 2:01 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Wow CraigL,

If I didnt know any better  It feels as if I took a few good hits on the chin with your last post.

Instead, it was an open question, partly to the original poster, because I`m tired of people who say that some book changed their life, then can`t explain at all how.

Well, after rereading my original post, twice.   I need to ask on what grounds can you make that statement? 

I said it was a great book (or cd in this case).  I missed the part about changing my life.  Then you go into about how people can`t explain how.  Explain what?  That I feel it has good information in it.   I know what,  I was just making a point that I never claimed that it changed my life.  But there was acouple of sentences that if someone was good enough at the art of manipulating words they could make that claim.

I found a good book,  I was letting people know  about it,  did I say it will change your life?  NO. 

Did I feel obligated to explain how it changed my life, I didn`t know that it did until you told me it did, in your post,  So I must thank you for that information.

I already am an effective person, and could care less about reading another book.

I would guess that the post wasn`t directed towards you then.  Do you always feel that everything revolves around you??

I`ll stop here before I tell you how I really feel  about your reply.  

 

All and all your question asking techique is very successful at making people think, which most people don`t do enough.  I use it myself in a few areas of life.  

ps, maybe when it is time for my to launch my business I will call you, the man with all the answers because after all you  `could care less about reading another book`

sorry I couldn`t resist

Mike

CraigL

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Jan 08, 2007 4:03 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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LOL! Good grief! It seems asking questions does indeed end up with a cup of hemlock! :-D

I suppose it would be easy enough to read a post about a well-known book, note that I`d heard about it 30 years ago, say nothing, and move onto the next post. I suppose if everyone did that, we`d eventually have a forum with maybe all of 1 or 2 threads, and a couple of responses.

On the other hand, so what if I`m not particularly invested in the book, or personally invested in the topic? Over and over I see really useful or interesting topics that are about to disappear for lack of discussion. If I have a question or a comment that I think will expand the conversation, what the hell....why not?

Part of my job on Earth, as given to me by the voices in my head, is to make everyone`s life just a little more surrealistic. We tend to all get in a rut, live by habit, and we don`t often question our basic assumptions. Should we continue that way? Is that a good way, or the best way, or even an interesting way to live? I, unilaterally, all on my own, without asking anyone`s permission, have decided it`s not.

If you haven`t read it, I would make it a point to get the book  or cd/tape and start in it ASAP.  I came away with something new everytime.

within 24 - 48 hours because it will change our paradyne.

I just wanted to let everybody know that   if you dont read this book you will miss out on something in your life and all of the people that you have an effect on.

It will make you a better person for reading it, if you are ready for it.    Yes very general

I am at a disadvantage because i just listened to a cd.

Taking the above sampling of Mike`s posts, all I did was ask specifically, "How did it change YOUR life!" I think anyone would agree, reading the above, that Mike---the original poster---was charged up about this book. Fine. Why? What exactly changed? If it`s that important, how did it produce an entirely new paradigm? That`s a fundamental and total shift in one`s view of all of reality!

Hyperbole? Um....gee...ya think? :-D

Sorry you feel personally flamed, Mike. It wasn`t meant that way. But I hope you`ll agree that you might have been a bit personally invested in this book? If so, why not move others with that excitement by getting just a little more detailed about how it happened? Isn`t that the one reason we have conversation in the first place?
CraigL2007-1-8 4:5:52
jillybeans

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Jan 14, 2007 9:11 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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thank the boys and girls serving our country so that we can continue to enjoy the benefits of free speech!  (Even if you don`t agree with the war, it`s obvious you agree with free speech!!!  "YOU" being plural in this case!

the real jillybeans

P.S.  I enjoyed the book "The Dash" by Linda Ellis because it makes you think about that which you do in your life to create your own legacy. 

 

How`s that for switching to a slightly different focus!

Jan 14, 2007 5:38 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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I couldn`t agree with you more, jillybeans.

In years to come, everybody in the world will see through their 20/20 hind site that this whole iraq thing was something that needed to be done ( maybe in a different way but who is to know the best way to handle these things) .

there will be millions of people thanking those who made the efforts to make the changes that needed to be made     and lastly  if anybody ever thought that iraq  would become a little United States in a short few years,  they were being very niave

 

you know who.

 

 

stonesledge

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Jan 14, 2007 10:04 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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What a Thread! I had the book 7 Habits twice in my life. Once when i was 16 looking for the answers to life.....didn`t finish it and gave it away to someone who i thought could use it more. I bought it again when i was 24 but never read it. There was something about it that spoke to me but at 16 it was overwhelming. Maybe i will pick up a copy again and give it a look over.

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