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bert

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Jun 27, 2007 5:31 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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For people like me: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angst

CM, now I agree...

But, I must point out SuN is made up of entreperneurs and it is hard to keep them from selling.  It is what entreperneurs do, so we all will need to be reminded from time to time.



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vwebworld

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Jun 28, 2007 8:23 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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For the record, I asked Dale to clearly mark his opinion pieces as "opinion". ......
Dale has written numerous "articles" that contain his opinion presented as fact. Here`s why it is important to mark opinion pieces as opinion.

Regardless of the validity or accuracy of Dale`s or anyone`s post, I don`t think it is necessary to "clearly mark" posts as opinion. I always take a person`s post as their opinion or their thoughts.. unless of  course they quote another person or identify a source.

MY OPINION

~Roland

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InactiveMember

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Jun 28, 2007 8:36 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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In this case Dale was publishing a lot of documents he referred to as articles. These articles contained a lot of opinion material. If you`re publishing an article, especially an article that tries to establish a best practice or recommended practice, it should generally be a presentation of facts, and should avoid conveyance of a specific opinion. An article is supposed to allow the reader to form their own opinion based on a neutral presentation of the facts.

This applies to all articles - journalism, marketing, etc. A written piece that contains mostly opinions should be marked as an opinion piece or editorial. At no time did I request that all his posts be marked - just that the posts he referred to as "articles" were either true articles or marked as opinion.
vwebworld

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Jun 28, 2007 9:30 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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In this case Dale was publishing a lot of documents he referred to as articles. These articles contained a lot of opinion material. If you`re publishing an article, especially an article that tries to establish a best practice or recommended practice, it should generally be a presentation of facts, and should avoid conveyance of a specific opinion. An article is supposed to allow the reader to form their own opinion based on a neutral presentation of the facts.

This applies to all articles - journalism, marketing, etc. A written piece that contains mostly opinions should be marked as an opinion piece or editorial. At no time did I request that all his posts be marked - just that the posts he referred to as "articles" were either true articles or marked as opinion.

This that your opinion?  Or is what you said just the facts?
Sorry, I must disagree that forum posts that are or may be construed as "articles" should be absent of opinion, conveyance of opinion, and be a presentation of facts.

Forum posts are inherently opinion. Forums are not journalistic media. People post their thoughts, which they may believe are fact or may be based upon personal experience or circumstance. The "facts" of a post may indeed be incorrect because the person posting is unaware of other facts or not experienced evidence to the contrary. The post may be inaccruate because things have changed - like SEO changes.

Readers will form an opinion of the article`s content and author no matter if there are cited facts or unmarked opinion. The beauty of forum is the interaction and participation/sharing of ideas, opinion, experience... from which readers can draw theirown conclusion.

Maybe we should all just assume everything that is posted is opinion unless otherwise stated?

Just my opinion

~Roland



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Rich

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Jun 28, 2007 9:38 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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have we all wasted enough time on this topic? let`s get back to the productive stuff. blondieblue, you haven`t said anything that goes beyond the line so i`ve got no issue with you. if you think i`m in a clique that`s like some high school clique, no biggie!

you each come here to express opinions - that`s fair game as long as it`s not damaging - and i would venture to guess that once you stop wasting your time festering over all this stuff, you`ll each start creating and finding value in other forum topics across the site...

ONWARD!!!


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DennisJ

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Jun 28, 2007 10:41 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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My Opinion:

Thank You Rich......

(asking self why I wasted my time reading this thread)

 

houseofjerkyjanie

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Jun 28, 2007 11:22 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Can we all just get along??????????

nhgnikole

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Jun 28, 2007 11:56 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Ignoring all of this ...

Article marketing is a tactic that many people use to promote their business. The proper place for article marketing is places like article directories (Ezine Articles), article posting sites, and blogs. Article marketing has proven to be a very effective way to increase PageRank and get your brand out there through syndication. So, this is a good thing.

Where you are not supposed to post articles: in forums. Forums are for discussions and not one-way conversations. You can link to an article and then discuss it - that`s great. But don`t post the whole thing here. This is not the place. Opinion vs facts, this is not even the right discussion. The right discussion is pasting entire articles in a forum or not.
 
This has nothing to do with the current "controversy" or SUN or anything else. I just thought I would turn this around and make it into a positive clarification. Article marketing can be an important tactic used in your business, when used wisely and properly. If anyone is interested in it, please feel free to start a new thread and I`d be happy to contribute to point you in the right direction of some resources!
DaleKing

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Jun 29, 2007 8:24 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Nikole, there are many popular forums that WELCOME and ALLOW article posting, because they realize that the article content also helps their forums with the search engines

You said that the proper place for article marketing is article directories. That`s your OPINION.

Look, I don`t want to drag this thing out, because despite the OPINIONS of others, you and Cookie aren`t going to change your OPINIONS!

So let`s all do what Rich suggested and DROP IT!

Joel, feel free to close this topic, if you must.

Dale King

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Joel

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Jun 29, 2007 9:54 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Rather than close the topic, which I really only want to do in rare circumstances, I will challenge us all with this:

If you truly believe that what you have to add to this topic is valuable, then by all means post away. But do take a few moments before you hit the Post Reply button to consider whether it will be a positive contribution or not.

Positive contribution = good.

Not = un-good.

And I am really looking forward to the next great topic that will be started in this forum by smart people in this phenomenal community. Here`s a terrific example.
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