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JoelMarcey

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Mar 04, 2008 4:45 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Hi,

I have just started being self-employed as a sole proprietor with no employees. I want to set up a retirement account. I am torn between a SEP and Solo/Individual 401K and was hoping I could get some advice (anecdotal or otherwise) about which one I should set up (besides see a financial advisor Wink). Let`s assume for sake of argument that I want to put in between 15K-20K a year in the account and I may make anywhere between 80K-100K a year on my self-employment (of course, you never know with self-employment). My brokerage offers both a SEP and Solo 401K to me.

Thanks.

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I went with a SEP IRA per my broker`s recommendation.


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JoelMarcey

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Mar 04, 2008 6:27 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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One of the biggest questions I have is around taxes. I know that a SEP allows you to take an "above the line" deduction (to quote Mike Piper`s book -- a regular on this forum), thus reducing your gross income. But not on a Schedule C which reduces your Self-Employment Tax. What does a Solo 401K allow you to do -- is it any better or worse than a SEP in this regard?

LindaEsq

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I found the article from Kiplinger.com (linked below) on SEP vs. Solo 401(k) very informative. Hope it helps you too.   http://www.kiplinger.com/columns/ask/archive/2007/q0801.htm
 
 
JT242

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Apr 27, 2008 4:13 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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LindaESQ...that is a good link...thanks. 
 
Here is another good site I found.  It compares a Solo 401k to a SEP and is very detailed.  From reading this information on the site, the potential advantage of a Solo 401k is you can probably put more money into a Solo 401k compared to a SEP and a Solo 401k allows loans.
http://sepira.com/sep_ira/sep-or-401k.htm

 

ChrisAch

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Aug 08, 2008 9:10 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Here is the Quickie:

1.Depends on how much you want to contribute to the retirement plan  &
2. How many employees you have.
 
Here is the basic breakdown for the different retirment plans:
SEP--The business writes the check into this account, therefore it is considered a Business ContributionThis is great if your self employed with no employees.  It is not good if you have a few employees as you have to make contributions for them as well.  No big administration cost to run the plan and very easy to administer(you just need to tell the CPA how much you contributed).  Max contribution is 25% of compensation up to $46,000.
 
Solo 401k---There are 2 pieces to this.  1 is the employee will defer his/her salary into the plan(max is $15,500 if under age 50 an $20,500 if over the age 50).  Second, you can layer a profit sharing plan contribution on top of it.  In english, the business can (it does not have to) make an additional contribution of 25% of the total compensation to a maximum total contribution into this plan of $46,000 per person(the same as the SEP).  This plan is great if  you and your spouse own a business together.  Once you have more than $250,000 of assets in the plan, you will need to pay your CPA or a Pension Plan administrator to file a 5500. Depending on where you live, this could cost $1,000-$2,000 a year.
 
Simple IRA--Like a 401k, but a little smaller.  Employees defer salary into the plan (max $10,500 if under 50 and $13,000 if over age 50) and business has to decide how much to match the employee`s contribution (can be 1%, 2% or 3% of employee`s salary).
 
Remember:  This is not a binding agreement.  You could always change your plan the next calender year if you are unhappy with the way it is structured or if you hire more employees. 


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MrLiquidity

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Sep 06, 2008 10:48 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Joel,

I take a very different approach when advising entrepreneurs.  You said it your self in your post, "I may make anywhere between 80K-100K a year on my self-employment (of course, you never know with self-employment)."  Because you never know what your income will be (or not be), I would consider sacrificing tax deductions and utilizing non-retirement accounts, such as regular old brokerage accounts or even something called a maximum funded life insurance policy.  These accounts will give you greater liquidity and can still offer great tax advantages...the tax advantages simply come later on rather than today.

I firmly believe that successful entrepreneurs should remain fully liquid because their ability to grow and create wealth in their own business will far exceed stock market returns.  If you believe in your own abilities - find creative ways to leave your money liquid so that you can invest in your own business all throughout your career.  You just might increase your chances of success and your ability to achieve great things.  Of course, if you aren`t too confident in your business idea(s)...Solo 401(k)s and SEP IRA`s won`t harm you.  Unless of course you get into a financial pinch and can`t get your hands on your money.  It`s food for thought.  I have built my practice on these concepts.  Feel free to check out The  Entrepreneur`s Dream Financial Plan at http://www.EDFPlan.com

Hope you found this information helpful - let me know your thoughts if you get a chance.





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