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brettr

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Jan 15, 2007 7:30 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Are there recommendations for protecting something that is easily duplicated?  It isn`t in existance yet. It`s a series of functionalities making up a web based application, which means people can view most of the source code and figure it out.  It will also have a unique layout that I`d like to protect as well.  Any suggestions on what I can best do for at least validly sending, when the time comes, cease and desist letters are appreciated.

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Brett

Raisecapital02

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Jan 15, 2007 9:03 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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What are you referring to? Are you referring to building a website functionality?

brettr

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Jan 15, 2007 11:47 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Here`s a very simple example to illustrate what I`m getting at.  Let`s say I build a web based application that pulls in stock quotes every 5 minutes and displays a detailed graph of that stock for the past 72 hours overlayed with a few of the major indexes.  I have several technical analysis parameters for users.   Everything is setup up in a specific layout with specific colors.

Someone could come along, view the source code and create their own version.  How much of that can I protect?

Thanks,
Brett

ElidS

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Jan 16, 2007 12:42 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Guess the question would be: protect how? by legal means i/e a patent? If the answer is yes, while a patent would give you legal protection for your code, it would not give you protection from imitation by others with a different code, one made by them that accomplishes the same results.
brettr

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Jan 16, 2007 12:52 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Thanks ElidS.  That`s what I was looking for.  I guess it gets into the look and feel part.  Is there absolutely no protection for that aspect?

If I did get a patent to protect my code and find there are imitations, how do I know they are  my code or different code?  At what point can you say, "hey, I have to board your ship and search"?

ElidS

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Jan 16, 2007 3:22 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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That part of the law is still being written. As you know our laws are based (in large part) on precedent, that is being written as we speak with the lawsuits being filed, won or lost. While most companies are fighting for the ability to patent and protect their code from others, they are also fighting to be able to use the other guys IP. To murky things up a little more there are others like this guy that filed a lawsuit against the U.S. Government, requesting a  declaratory judgment that copyright law cannot be applied to source code. The case is now being appealed... As of now each case is pretty much unique, there is no one size fits all yet. I guess the answer would be, the only way to know is to wait until your code is infringed upon (as seen by you) and you file a lawsuit. Needless to say, you should consult an attorney.
patentandtrademark

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Jan 17, 2007 10:47 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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If I follow this correctly, I think ElidS is just plain wrong.  Utility patent protection is NOT limited to the particular code employed - but extends to the function of the code.  In other words, different code CAN be infringing depending on the function of that different code.



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James Lindon, Ph.D. Patent Attorney
Lindon & Lindon, LLC
Cleveland, Ohio
Patents, Trademarks, Copyrights, Pharmacy Law, Litigation
[this is not legal advice - provided for discussion only]
Intellectual Property for the Individual and Small Business: Identify, Protect, Enforce, Defend.
"Fools rush in where angels fear to tread."
http://www.LindonLaw.com
brettr

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Jan 17, 2007 11:07 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Google wins a design patent: http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-6143586.html.  The problem is if someone takes your swivel and changes it to a slightly different givel, then moves it down 2 pixels down, the patent protection can`t be enforced, from what I read.

James, that sounds correct: http://www.bitlaw.com/software-patent/why-patent.html.  So if you can get a design and utility patent for your web application, you are doing fairly well.  Several design patents would be needed to cover different screenshots (states).  Of course, there is the probably of them actually not doing so well in court.  Being practical, do you have the money and time it will take to sit out of work while you defend?

Doesn`t the utility patent get into protecting at least the "feel" part of the look and feel?  It`s function that is producing the feel part.  There would only be a look if there were no function going on.

patentandtrademark

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Jan 17, 2007 11:22 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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since design patents protect the ornamental and non-functional aspects of things, they are most useful when a client wants to protect the ornamental and non-functional aspects of something.

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James Lindon, Ph.D. Patent Attorney
Lindon & Lindon, LLC
Cleveland, Ohio
Patents, Trademarks, Copyrights, Pharmacy Law, Litigation
[this is not legal advice - provided for discussion only]
Intellectual Property for the Individual and Small Business: Identify, Protect, Enforce, Defend.
"Fools rush in where angels fear to tread."
http://www.LindonLaw.com
brettr

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Jan 17, 2007 11:28 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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That`s why I say combine the two types of patents.  But again, the practical point stands.
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