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diachedesigns

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May 27, 2009 4:07 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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I hate to say this but this kind of thing happens quite often in this industry. The same thing happened to me twice with two different sets of programmers (one from St. Louis and the other one from India) with one of my websites at 90% completed. After about $8K and five months of never making one deadline on this project, I decided it was time to move on and go into a different direction.
 
Now I only work directly with web developers and programmers here in the Dallas area where I live so that I can monitor what they are doing on a daily basis and can visit them where they work if anything seems to be going the wrong way. It`s so important to find someone locally you can have daily contact with and build a long term, trusting, business realtionship so that your work/projects are done in a timley manner.
 
I`ve contacted the 1st programmer and asked him to return a majority of my money and he continues to blow me off and and says he will pay me back when he is able. As more and more time passes, I know he has no intention of ever paying me back so I am going to start uploading videos with his picture and his contact information so that if anyone else ever hires him for work and they go to YouTube or Google to find more info about him, they will certainly see my videos telling them to stay clear! I feel this is the only choice I have left, so I can atleast WARN other website owners about this crook so it doesn`t happen to them.
 
If you need to take legal action then I say do it! Just depends on how much money you have invested with him and if your willing to fly across the country to take him to court and get your money back. In my opinion, its not worth it but letting others know about this crook by targeting his name in the title, tags, and description of your videos you will definitely make sure that no one else gets their money taken by this theif. And once he realizes that you are distributing these videos he may have a change of heart and give you back your money or finish the project you piad him to complete. Hope this helps. Take care
 
Charles Clift
Creator & Founder


Charles,
I was reading your post and my gosh son! you are a mad individual! would you really go as far as making a video, just to trash him? Come on now... be real!
I don`t know about you being a tube video pro... it sounds to me like you`re more of a "Tube Stake Pro" - Wink, Wink,  If you read Fafa`s Question... it says that he can launch if he wanted to! so what is holding him back? is his web developer supposed to hold his hand as well and tell him how to launch his emails? or how to market the site?

My question to Fafa is? So you can launch the site correct? Ok so if you had the username and password, how would that help you? if you just stated that "He is my technical person" He is the one that is supposed to talk for me" sorda scenario... My advise would be Launch your site.... and in the midst of it all contact your developer and request that he gives you the username and password That is all.... There is no need to get your panties in a bunch...

You know this is my second posting... hopefully not my last, but I`ve visited over 100 profiles, and my GOSH it seems like alot of fellas here like to hold their buttocks tight in hopes that, it will produce a smile on their face.... Be real! I think Charles Clit just made my day... Funny fella he is.... He is going to go out of his way to produce a video? where he is going to rip somone else? I think that is called defamation of character? doesn`t that fall under "Cyber Bully"? Didn`t this lady just go to Jail for that?
Charles, I would re-think things over, and try taking some anger management classes. I think the only one with good advise was "Patentandtrademark"
diachedesigns

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May 27, 2009 4:19 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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I would suggest searching for law sites related to this topic ..... perhaps you can get some free advice from an attorney on your options ..... maybe not, but worth a shot.


Webs,
As much information that is out there... It is hard to find lawyers that specialize on Internet Laws... and the ones that I know charge $350.00 an hour and if it`s a matter of getting a Username and Password, the web developer might feel betrayed, and just to be spiteful, he might just sit on it.... From the time Fafa signs the hire agreement, to the time the developer decides to say... Ok, today I will be nice and give him the username and password, it might be 10 to 15 days... The lawyer will probably set Fafa`s file to the side, meanwhile, the hours are ticking...  so regardless, the lawyer is going to charge for his time.. or for as long as it took him to get the username and password... so here is a quick example.... 8 hours x $350.00 = 2,800.00 OUCH! times this by 10 days... Fafa... Just be nice, talk to your developer and take it from there, Honestly.
diachedesigns

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May 27, 2009 4:24 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Lie if you need to.

 
Wow.  Why stop there?  How about stab them with a knife if you need to.  Actually advising somebody to lie is absolutely idiotic.


Patentandtrademark,
You`re the only one with common sense, How can Video advise someone to Lie? or Tubestake Pro, making a video to trash the other person? Hats off to you patent, you`re the only one that make sense... BBB is a Joke... even if you never have had a bad review, unless you pay BBB $250.00 a year you will always be a B - minus.

diachedesigns

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May 27, 2009 4:33 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Tammi - I wasn`t saying to lie to the registrar.  Of course the OP should be completely up-front and honest with the registrar.  I meant lie to the web designer, if necessary.  Tell them anything to get the admin name changed on good terms.

OP - (your name? since you neither signed your post nor provided any profile data) - What registrar did you use and what is the domain name in question?  We`re trying to help you here, but we will need more information

Lawyer advice?  It would likely be a lot cheaper to pay the designer a "transfer fee" or whatever he wants to call it (termination of services bonus?) to get complete control of your domain.




You`re trying to help someone by telling them to lie? Some Joke you are Video.... I think its time you go clean the fog off your glasses... I think the fog is not letting you see the whole picture... or perhaps you`re reading things backwards... You are telling the man you want to help him? and you make a comment to lie? well gee! Fafa, why not give your developer the ol` cement shoes and throw him in the Hudson river? Foooget about it!
fafaflo? Cool username, are you into Howard Stern?
ArcherTC

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May 27, 2009 9:29 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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diachedesigns,

QUOTE -- My God, Don`t we all sound like experts here... This is what I hate most about forums... you get all these clue-less people trying to give other`s advise.... How funny that is... a clue less person giving another clue-less person advise... isn`t that like "Calling the tea kettle black"... -- ENDQUOTE

No, it is not. You are using the expression incorrectly.

Back to the topic, the OP has invested considerable money in someone who has already proven himself to be incapable of following through on deadlines and returning calls. You think it’s smart to give this guy *more* money? The guy who, if sick, doesn’t have a backup? The guy who, if not sick, doesn’t return calls from a panicking client?

I agree that hiring a lawyer would be an expensive undertaking and that the designer may react, like you, in an entirely destructive manner.  No one undertakes a lawyer lightly. That doesn’t mean he should document everything to build a case nor resist consulting with a lawyer.

Remember, this designer has the administrator role over the site. That means, should he want to OR IF HE MERELY DID NOT PAY THE RELATED BILLS FOR THE SITE REGISTRATION OR HOSTING, he could kill the site.Can you imagine what the OP would be faced with if he went ahead with developing the site and then THAT happened?

While you are right that the SuN forum is made up of amateurs, we are all in the same place. It`s called peer advice and, to my knowledge, no one here has posed themselves as an expert. We`re smart, we have our own experiences to draw from, and having heard a call to help we responded. There is no need to name call (“Tube Stake Pro”? Good lord, that was bad enough without the repeat misspelling!), bash or decry your peers here, especially since you are aware that this is the very nature of a forum-based community.

So, OP, you have been presented with a number of suggestions by your business startup peers. We do look forward to hearing of your decision and -- judging from the enthusiastic response this has generated -- wish you all the luck in the world in seizing back your potential from this horrible situation.

ArcherTC5/27/2009 9:26 AM


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vwebworld

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May 27, 2009 9:57 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Part of the "problem" in responding to posts like this (where someone has issue with a web designer) is we (the responders) do not know all the details... so a lot of different suggestions are offered. That should be expected.... it`s like a brainstorming session.
 
diachedesigns - To be critical of people trying to help by posting responses seems to me, a bit harsh.
 
I think "we", the collective responders, are trying to help (as you are).
 
In the original post, I believe he said he tried emailing and calling but got no response. Suggesting he call is a redundant suggestion and seems like an option he has exhausted.... although I expect he will keep trying.
 
~Roland
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TubeVideoPro

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May 27, 2009 12:06 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Hello Diachedesigns,
 
My case if completely different from this case here. I was lied to right from the start about what this programmer could actually do and on top of that lost about 5 months of my time working constantly to get him to finish the project. At one point he even said he brought  in a programmer friend of his to help him complete the project and still nothing happened. Maybe you enjoy getting lied to by someone who`s suppose to be a reputable programmer but I don`t! 
 
I`m upset about this whole ordeal for two reasons... him wasting my time then the money issue. I just don`t want him to take advantage of anyone else because he is a straight up theif and has never tried to repay me one red cent. Making a video to tell others what he has done so that they don`t lose time and money using this guy seems to be a very logical way to go about it. I guess everyone has their own opinion and at the end of the day are going to do what`s best for them.
 
Charles Clift
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May 27, 2009 12:41 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Let`s see - both diachedesigns and  the OP are anonymous; neither signing their post nor having any profile information.  Diachedesigns has apparently not read all the posts, but just joined SUN and launched into criticism right away.

Dia - the OP had stated two facts that are important to the discussion: First, the designer has disappeared and second, the domain name is owned by the designer. 

We can`t offer much more help without more details, but none of us know where or if the website is currently hosted.  The OP may only have a preview of his site on the designers server, and without control of his domain name, he can`t move it to a publicly accessible host.  Without knowing more details, this is one scenario where the site can be "ready to launch" but unable to do so.

It is imperative that the OP first get control of his domain name.  Without that, he is truly screwed.

Steve Mann

P.S., I never claimed to be an expert.



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diachedesigns

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May 27, 2009 6:46 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Tube and Video,
I don`t think you read Fafa`s concern correctly.... He stated two things....
  1. The web site is 99% complete. Meaning the developer delivered the project completely. and that the only thing he doesn`t have is the username and passwords. So the site is 100% Complete basically and not 99%.
  2. That he can launch his email campaign but that he`d rather have the developer hold his hand and walk him through it... (this shows you that Fafa to some extent trusts the developer) which is fine. Obviously, I see trust. on both parties.
See Tube, your situation was a little bit different, you were lied to from the begining, and you were taken for a sucker right out the door. I hope you learned a valuable lesson. but Fafa`s situation is not the same... All he is waiting for is the username and password, so things do have to be addressed a little  bit different, because if the web site is complete and Fafa decides to bash this company or person, he can face serious charges. You can`t always jump to conclusions and try to treat everyone the same.

You have to give people the benefit of the doubt until proven other wise. That would be like me treating all my customers the same just because one customer can`t pay me on time. 
The key to Life is watch and learn and don`t make the same mistake twice.

As for Video? What else should we lie about?

vwebworld

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May 27, 2009 6:57 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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diachedesings,
99% complete BUT.........
 
"I call a few times a day, I leave voice mail, email, etc...Sure I could launch, but I don`t have admin rights to my own site.  I can`t make any changes.  If something goes wrong my web guy is MIA.  If someone has a question I can`t answer my web guy is MIA.  If nobody goes to the site, I am screwed...If thousands go to the site I have no way I monitoring performance etc...I want my site.  Sure, he showed me one or two things, but I still can`t operate the site from behind the scenes.  I have things I would like to change and add (banners/photos etc...) I can`t."

Is it a good idea to launch a site and have it fail/crash and have no ability to correct anything? - I think not.
 
I think it prudent to want to be able to have some control over the site when it launches - or know that the web designer will be there for support.
~Roland


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