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Fafaflohi

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May 25, 2009 10:06 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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I have lurked on these forums for a long time and I got myself in a bad situation and just needed to post.  I apologize if this may be the wrong category, but I figured this may be the best place to get some guidance.

I want to preface this post with these facts, so everyone doesn`t have to reiterate what I already know, lol:
I was a bit naive.
We never signed any agreement.
I have the invoices and email and paper contracts - no signatures
I spent around 7 grand.
I am screwed.

OK

I have a web-based startup company.  While searching for a developer at the end of last year, I was recommended through an acquaintance a company lets call "Laid Back Web Developers".  They are located on the opposite coast (3 hour time difference is crucial when trying to pass info back and forth - something I didn`t think would matter).

I won`t get into the rocky road we had since November but being naive and anxious I stuck with them.  Slowly but surely, they produced, the site was being built.  It was never 100% the way I would have liked it and they always seemed to have an answer as to why.  (Keep in mind, I wasn`t asking to boil the ocean, all of my features have been done on tons of other websites).  But again, the longer it went, and the more money I poured into it, the deeper I got.

Even so, I was relatively happy with it.   Deadlines came and went.  I didn`t mind.  I made some changes so I can understand the delays.  But now, about 6 months later.  I still can`t launch the site...It is 99% launchable.  And quite frankly, I could launch it, BUT I haven`t been able to get in touch with my guy in 3 weeks.

I call a few times a day, I leave voice mail, email, etc...Sure I could launch, but I don`t have admin rights to my own site.  I can`t make any changes.  If something goes wrong my web guy is MIA.  If someone has a question I can`t answer my web guy is MIA.  If nobody goes to the site, I am screwed...If thousands go to the site I have no way I monitoring performance etc...I want my site.  Sure, he showed me one or two things, but I still can`t operate the site from behind the scenes.  I have things I would like to change and add (banners/photos etc...) I can`t.

I have an invitation email ready to go, and the core feature of the site still needs tweaking AND my guy is MIA.

What is my course of action?  Can I get a lawyer?  Better business bureau?  I don`t want to threaten the guy, but I have to do something.  We are going on 3 weeks.  Should I wait longer, even if something serious has happened to him or his family is this how he should run his company?  Do I try and find another web company to help me for a reasonable price (I do have passwords into the user panel, just don;t know how to do anything)?  Do I tell every site I can, the name of the company and bash him?

Thanks for whatever suggestions or help I get...

arkitechebc

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May 25, 2009 10:27 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Oracle: "But you already know what I`m going to tell you." - Transcript from the movie Matrix
 
I would suggest that you try and find other means / routes to contact him.  That might require an attorney.  However, maybe its as simple as the phone book, local government, or dare I say an investigator. 
 
Pouring more good money after bad is always a bad idea but it sounds like to me you want to get to the bottom of the problem and have it resolved. 
arkitechebc5/25/2009 10:24 AM
Videography

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May 25, 2009 11:54 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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What is the domain name?  Who is listed as the administrative contact?  The first thing I would do is to make sure that the domain name is yours before you do anything to burn any bridges.


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ArcherTC

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May 25, 2009 11:56 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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If you do not have admin rights to the site, you do not actually own the site yet.  Yes, you have paid for it and, yes, it`s mostly ready.  But your developer has not turned it over to you and you cannot make changes.   Until the contract is officially fulfilled and you have full rights, you would be placing a new designer/developer in the middle of a potential mindfield and yourself in the path of your old designer`s claims of breach of contract.

You have made every attempt to deal with this person yourself, so it is now time to bring others into the picture to review the matter and see whether you have just cause.  Sit down and build the case with copies of all your correspondence, any log of calls you`ve made, the contract and all the rest.  If you must correspond with him again, let it be to only declare that you are now handing this over to a lawyer unless you get everything delivered by a certain (very firm) date.  Be polite (you don`t want your project trashed), but don`t expect good things from this person.  You`re beyond that.

Best of luck.



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Imprezzio

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May 25, 2009 11:56 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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I would recommend that you change your passwords to your logins first so that he can`t get back into the site and screw anything up, and then, yes, I would look at hiring another company to finish it up.  You should be able to do that relatively cheaply.  In fact, you should maybe look locally so that this person can`t disappear on you as well (if you know where their office is located). 
 
I would also look up the company on Google to see if they`re listed anywhere and if so, I would post a review for them based on your experience. I always believe it is the right thing to do so that you can warn someone else not to go with them.  Also, that way they don`t really get away with what they did to you.  The Better Business Bureau would work too.
 
Hiring a lawyer probably wouldn`t do much good if there aren`t any signatures on the document.  I would never recommend signing up with any online company if there isn`t a copy of a signed contract in your hands.
TubeVideoPro

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May 25, 2009 11:58 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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I hate to say this but this kind of thing happens quite often in this industry. The same thing happened to me twice with two different sets of programmers (one from St. Louis and the other one from India) with one of my websites at 90% completed. After about $8K and five months of never making one deadline on this project, I decided it was time to move on and go into a different direction.
 
Now I only work directly with web developers and programmers here in the Dallas area where I live so that I can monitor what they are doing on a daily basis and can visit them where they work if anything seems to be going the wrong way. It`s so important to find someone locally you can have daily contact with and build a long term, trusting, business realtionship so that your work/projects are done in a timley manner.
 
I`ve contacted the 1st programmer and asked him to return a majority of my money and he continues to blow me off and and says he will pay me back when he is able. As more and more time passes, I know he has no intention of ever paying me back so I am going to start uploading videos with his picture and his contact information so that if anyone else ever hires him for work and they go to YouTube or Google to find more info about him, they will certainly see my videos telling them to stay clear! I feel this is the only choice I have left, so I can atleast WARN other website owners about this crook so it doesn`t happen to them.
 
If you need to take legal action then I say do it! Just depends on how much money you have invested with him and if your willing to fly across the country to take him to court and get your money back. In my opinion, its not worth it but letting others know about this crook by targeting his name in the title, tags, and description of your videos you will definitely make sure that no one else gets their money taken by this theif. And once he realizes that you are distributing these videos he may have a change of heart and give you back your money or finish the project you piad him to complete. Hope this helps. Take care
 
Charles Clift
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May 25, 2009 12:04 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Reread my previous post - do not burn any bridges until you have full possession of the domain (I.E. you are the admin contact).  Once you have that you can change the passwords and find someone you trust to make any changes, including changing the web host.




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patentandtrademark

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May 25, 2009 12:33 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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BBB is worthless.  Forget them.
 
Try to remain friendly but firm.  In some cases, a single letter from a lawyer can get better results.


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Fafaflohi

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May 25, 2009 12:44 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Reread my previous post - do not burn any bridges until you have full possession of the domain (I.E. you are the admin contact).  Once you have that you can change the passwords and find someone you trust to make any changes, including changing the web host.



 
I am the resgistrant contact.  He is the admin contact and the technical contact...
Dreamman95

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May 25, 2009 2:01 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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In the future remember to always demand that a website devloper do what you wish them to do.
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