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Jun 26, 2006 3:22 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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I am a patent and trademark attorney.  Does anybody have a feel for how to reach small business owners who need a patent and trademark attorney?  I am trying to grow my firm.  Thanks.

James Lindon, Ph.D.

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Joel2007-2-12 15:56:23


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James Lindon, Ph.D. Patent Attorney
Lindon & Lindon, LLC
Cleveland, Ohio
Patents, Trademarks, Copyrights, Pharmacy Law, Litigation
[this is not legal advice - provided for discussion only]
Intellectual Property for the Individual and Small Business: Identify, Protect, Enforce, Defend.
"Fools rush in where angels fear to tread."
http://www.LindonLaw.com
theswaynester

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Jun 26, 2006 3:48 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Hi Dr. Lindon--
First of all, welcome to the forum.
Gauging by the number of posts from entrepreneurs about patents that I am forced to respond with "I`m really not sure..." I would say StartUp Nation is a great place to network with just the sort of people who could help you grow your business.
My advice would be to stick around, help people with questions, and serve as a resource. I bet you`ll establish a lot of contacts.

Matt 

patentandtrademark

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Jun 26, 2006 4:08 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Thanks for the words of encouragement.  I help people obtain patents and trademarks, then defend them if needed [i.e. infringement] or defend themselves against accusations of infringement.  I know there are a lot of misconceptions about patents and trademarks out there.  I understand the temptation to "do it yourself" since many law firms charge so much.  I hope to offer a more affordable alternative.  Thanks again.

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James Lindon, Ph.D. Patent Attorney
Lindon & Lindon, LLC
Cleveland, Ohio
Patents, Trademarks, Copyrights, Pharmacy Law, Litigation
[this is not legal advice - provided for discussion only]
Intellectual Property for the Individual and Small Business: Identify, Protect, Enforce, Defend.
"Fools rush in where angels fear to tread."
http://www.LindonLaw.com
Eric

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Jun 26, 2006 8:29 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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P&T

Welcome! Great name grab by the way. I for one would be sure to consider your services. My brother and I intend to file dozens of patents during the next few decades. We`ve been soaked relentlessly by one very high powered firm in Chicago. We`d love to consider a worthy alternative. If you don`t charge me to make considerations and respond to this message....that`s a good start!

As the Swaynester said. Stick around. There will be plenty of opportunities to network. I`ll be sure to keep in touch and let you know when we`re ready to consider another move.

~Eric



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~Eric
JE Design Group, LLC
If all you do is what you`ve done, then all you`ll get is what you`ve got.
www.jedesigngroup.com
patentandtrademark

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Jun 27, 2006 6:51 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Thanks, Eric.  Most things I do are on a "flat fee" basis except things that are impossible to predict - like litigation.  One thing that inventors and small business people don`t like about buying legal services is unpredictability.  I try to eliminate that and generally do eliminate that.

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James Lindon, Ph.D. Patent Attorney
Lindon & Lindon, LLC
Cleveland, Ohio
Patents, Trademarks, Copyrights, Pharmacy Law, Litigation
[this is not legal advice - provided for discussion only]
Intellectual Property for the Individual and Small Business: Identify, Protect, Enforce, Defend.
"Fools rush in where angels fear to tread."
http://www.LindonLaw.com
Eric

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Jun 27, 2006 3:25 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Thanks, Eric.  Most things I do are on a "flat fee" basis except things that are impossible to predict - like litigation.  One thing that inventors and small business people don`t like about buying legal services is unpredictability.  I try to eliminate that and generally do eliminate that.

LOL I`ve had $30k worth of unpredictability and counting! Yeah, that`s without litigation. 

But we`ll survive. Somehow!



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~Eric
JE Design Group, LLC
If all you do is what you`ve done, then all you`ll get is what you`ve got.
www.jedesigngroup.com
Seth

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Aug 29, 2006 8:53 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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James,

Can you tell us the benefits of using an attorney to file a trademark? The "flat fee`s" seems to vary greatly! What can a small business owner expect to pay for a trademark filing/research using an attorney and what services should be expected?

Can a business owner help lower costs with a trademark attorney by doing research or other things him/herself? It great to have an trademark attorney part of the SUN community.



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Seth, Bugmaster
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Wicked

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Aug 30, 2006 2:48 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Hi -

This is my first post on SUN :)

P&T -

Glad to see you`re making a concentrated

effort in hitting the niche of small businesses. Many, if not most, startups do not understand the intricacies of obtaining patents and/or registered trademarks. For some, the research on patents alone will be overwhelming thus driving them to their local law firm for services. Obviously the bigger the firm the more expensive their services.
 
In my opinion, you should definitely get a website up and running ASAP. By visiting forums like this and showing your willingness to help, you`ll start gaining word of mouth advertising. I would look into offline SEO strategies for your website. The image you should portray (in my humble opinion) is one that caters to the small business and start ups. You should make it a point to say you`re here for the new(er) businesses as well as the established ones. Because you are small, you can focus on more personal interaction and relationships with your clients compared to the big firms. Other area(s) to touch upon are: 1) your cost vs those of large firms 2) Your expertise and willingness to only handle services within that expertise 3) Your interest in helping new business and startups with the capacity, knowledge, and expertise to help established ones too.
 
To get the name out, there are volumes of books and articles on online marketing. I would focus on creative marketing that will get your name out with the least amount of costs. A few that I recommend you look into are:
 
1) Blogs! Blogs! Blogs!
2) Article Submissions
3) Forums and message boards
 
Good luck and I hope it works well for you. On your website, if you put what your flat fees are, that would increase the interest of those visiting your site. Often those doing research don`t have time to follow up with emails and such inquiring prices and fees. Be one step ahead of your competitors by listing the prices that you are certain of.
 
- Eric
patentandtrademark

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Aug 31, 2006 8:57 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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The need to hire an attorney to file a patent or trademark application is similar to the need to hire a dentist to pull a tooth.  They can both help you decide whether it is even necessary or a good idea to act.  They can also help you to avoid the sometimes disasterous results of the learning curve that comes from teaching  yourself.

I learned a long time ago [sometimes the hard way] there were things I should not do on my own - fix my car, pull my tooth, build my house, manufacture my shoes, etc....  It`s a matter of where each person draws the line and how much time he/she wants to spend learning a new field and how much risk he/she likes in the future.

 



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James Lindon, Ph.D. Patent Attorney
Lindon & Lindon, LLC
Cleveland, Ohio
Patents, Trademarks, Copyrights, Pharmacy Law, Litigation
[this is not legal advice - provided for discussion only]
Intellectual Property for the Individual and Small Business: Identify, Protect, Enforce, Defend.
"Fools rush in where angels fear to tread."
http://www.LindonLaw.com
Jamye

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Sep 01, 2006 2:05 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Wow...

A Lawyer with a Doctorate (or is it a Doctor with a `Lawyerate`), but I jest...

The image you should portray (in my humble opinion) is one that caters to the small business and start ups. You should make it a point to say you`re here for the new(er) businesses as well as the established ones. Because you are small, you can focus on more personal interaction and relationships with your clients compared to the big firms.

In addition to Eric`s post above...

When it comes to intricate subjects like P & T, I always like to feel that the person I am doing business with is educating me about the subject.  That definitely helps me feel like I am making more informed decisions about our dealings.  Eric`s advice is good way to go about that.

As a web developer/designer by trade, I always spend a lot of time educating my clients.  Not because I need to, but because I want to.  The more they know, the easier it is for me to get a decision out of them.

(I have some general P&T questions, that I will post separately.)



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Jamye Few www.zeodd.com "If at first you don`t succeed, skydiving is not an option for you."
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