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Parris79

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Jun 06, 2008 1:10 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Hello Guru`s of Start Up Nation,

I`m an artist looking to establish long term relationships with wedding photography studios.  The plan is to offer my oil painting services to a few photography studios.   They will then offer " oil paintings " as one of their services.  My plan is to set a base price which I keep,  and the photography studio can offer the service  for a higher price, and keep the difference.  I guess the price would depend on their cliental.

My question is, is this a feasible idea?  Is what Im trying to do called subcontracting?  If not, what is the correct terminology?  What is the best way to go about offering your services to a company?

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MiteyMite

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Jun 06, 2008 1:30 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Consider that wedding photography studios may view your service as competing with their photography services.  If this is the case, you may want to consider "partnering" with other types of wedding service providers. 

Parris79

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Jun 06, 2008 2:03 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Thank you for replying.

Yes the plan is to partner with the photography studio.  I don`t plan on dealing with the client.  The client won`t know I exist.  As far as they know, the studio just hired an oil painter.  So is the correct terminology for what I`m trying to do called partnering?
CraigL

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Jun 06, 2008 6:13 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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My main concern here is the idea of prints and modern graphic technology. For example, I can take a plain photograph and doctor it through something like Photoshop so that it appears to be a painting. Depending on the production end, it could even have a pseudo texture like an actual oil painting.

Given today`s economy, and the decreasing interest in quality, I`d think this idea might work BUT!....you would want to specifically target to high-end wealthy families.

Instead of partnering with photography studios, why not just go out and sell your portrait-painting concept directly? I`m supposing you`re thinking that you can build a more steady, sustainable revenue stream by using the sales process from the photography companies, then making the copy in oils. I dunno...seems like you`re purposefully getting involved with a middleman where you don`t need to do that.

We have a community member, "CampSteve" who`s an artist offering interesting posters of people`s homes. He`s put together a Web site, and is out soliciting clients directly. Sure, it takes more work and more time, but the end result is that you build your own name, and also you don`t have to split the price.

Then there`s MiteyMite`s thought that you`d be viewed as competition, regardless of your underlying intent. It just seems overly complicated, which to me is a red flag. An elegant idea usually is very simple, streamlined, and self-contained for the most part.
themerrybird

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Jun 06, 2008 7:17 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Hi! Just wanted to throw my thoughts into the mix.... I used to work with a photographer that offered portraits altered with painterly technology...ie. photoshop... and colored blk/white`s with colored photo crayons... I don`t believe your idea will work out with a photographer...not only because of the technical issue, but "Artist" rights issue... That photography studio may claim all rights to it images... then what? a cut of your pay for an oil painted copy of the photo the photographer took?
 
BUT! I also lived in an artist "building" with an portrait artist that used oils, these paintings were beautiful and sought after in the community... my opinion is to rethink where you will market your awesome talent! There are still people who adore painted art... you just have to put yourself in the right place..
 
If you go with your idea to sub with a photographer that accepts the idea, - I`d love to hear about your successes in the future! (I could be wrong !)
 
 
Parris79

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Jun 06, 2008 7:48 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Craig L and Themerrybird

Thank you for this great advice,  there is a lot to think about.  I guess I`ll never know until I try.  I`ll try both approaches, threw photography studios and by going directly to the people.  Who knows I may luck out and find some pretty cool studios to work with.
CraigL

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Jun 06, 2008 10:07 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Actually, I think you`re maybe using some flawed logic when you say, "I`ll never know until I try." That`s the main point of developing a business plan. It`s a way to set up a sort of virtual business, wherein you can examine the interaction of things.

You might ask, "What if I do this?" Then write down your analysis of the consequences and how those will form and influence other events.

For example, "What if I were to paint a family portrait for the people down the street?" The first question would be how did you come by this commission. So the next thing that would go before the above question would be, "How do I convince the people down the street that they need a family portrait?"

I think you can see here the emergence of how you got side-tracked by the photography studio. "Well, since a lot of people already go to get family photos done, why not start there, where they`ve been pre-sold."

Alright, so let`s change that assumption: What if you were to send a nicely done discreet postcard to all families in your area with annual incomes over $200,000? Offer them the opportunity to have a family portrait in oils, to provide a lasting family heirloom. (You`d naturally be taking photographs of them anyway to have your working image.)

With a direct mail offer you`d be doing what the photography studios do already, and you know that works. So in a way, you WOULD know before you try it. If the direct mail would cost too much, or doesn`t seem like what you want to do, then, there again, you`d know before you try. See?

In fact, thinking about it, you could actually be the primary source of business for photography studios. If you`re not skilled in photography---to get those initial sittings prior to painting---you could recommend the family to a particular studio and get a commission for any business you sent their way. :-)
CraigL2008-6-6 22:9:31
Parris79

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Jun 07, 2008 7:46 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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 Hey Craig Landes,  damn your good.

I see your point and will definitely  re-think my approach to this idea of mine.  Thank you for your words of wisdom.
CampSteve

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Jun 07, 2008 5:03 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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I`m the one Craig mentioned who does home portraiture.


People who commission personal art (portraits of themselves or their homes) like knowing the artist.  It`s an emotional purchase, thus often requires interaction between artist and buyer.  This whole idea of subcontracting through photographers and people not knowing you exist sounds detrimental.  They have to know you exist.  They have to talk with you.  And also important, they have to see previous examples of your work from you directly.  Trust me, they will have questions and requests that only you can answer.  A working relationship between you and the customer is one of the most important ingredients in this kind of business.


My recommendation is to forget the photographer middleman and do it yourself.  I actually think it will be more work to market through someone else than to market yourself directly.  In fact, I`m experimenting with marketing through a couple realtors.  I`m pushing on it because the realtors are enthusiastic and people like my work, but I have yet to get a commission this way.  All that I`ve been able to get so far, I`ve gotten myself.

CampSteve6/7/2008 5:10 PM
CraigL

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Jun 08, 2008 12:55 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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"Hey Craig Landes,  damn your good.

I see your point and will definitely  re-think my approach to this idea of mine."
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We`ve been seeing what Steve`s doing, growing his art venture (I don`t like to say "business" when it`s related to art), coming up with unique ideas, and struggling like anyone to get out there and visible.
 
Out of it, I`ve come to see that in many ways ANY business is like an artform. It`s a creation by the person with an idea. When I was a musician, I heard a lot about how including the business aspect of music was "selling out," as they called it. Now, as a grownup, I understand the foolishness of the argument.
 
Bottom line is that problem of using a middleman (middleperson?). Unless you really have to, you`re better off building a personal relationship with your clients....for as long as the commission is taking place. It`s all part of customer service.
CraigL6/8/2008 1:03 AM
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