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Diggity

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Oct 04, 2006 8:21 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Hi!  My wife and I are considering starting a business on the internet - without going into details, it will be fairly standard - we`ll buy "stuff" bulk from suppliers and resell it in an online store front.  The problem is that neither of us know diddly about this process.  I know we have a lot of reading to do, but I`m wondering if someone can answer a few basic questions we have about taxes?

1) I think we`d probably register the business as a sole-proprietorship.  The question is, in whose name should it be registered?  We will both be working on the business - I will be working on the website at night and she will be packing boxes and managing orders during the day.  Right now she is a stay at home mom - I`m concerned that if we list her as the sole proprietor, then I won`t be able to claim her as a dependent on taxes anymore.  Is this true?  We don`t really expect to sell much volume anyway - this will be supplemental income - so her "income" from the business could very well be under the $4,000 personal exemption anyway, if that matters.

2) Some of our potential suppliers are requesting a tax ID number before they will send us bulk shipments.  Is this the same thing as an EIN and if so, what do they need this for?  Is this so that they don`t charge us sales tax for anything we`re buying for inventory?

Sorry if these are dumb questions, but we`re very new to this and, well, `ya gotta start somewhere.

Thanks!
-Diggity
truegenius

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Oct 05, 2006 1:58 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Hi Diggity,

Choosing a business entity can be a difficult task.  There are a ton of tax reasons to go one way or the other.  Here is a link to the IRS site that gives explanation to all forms: http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=98359,00.h tml.

Also, look into your local SCORE chapter and go and talk to a business counselor.  The service is absolutely free to you: http://www.score.org/.  They can give you some good advice on what direction to go; at least be able to translate the tax mumbo jumbo for you.

Rather than going as a sole proprieter, I`d look into doing an LLC.  Even if you just put one of you as the member, you can do this form of business entity.  There are tax benefits and protections going this way.  

I don`t understand where you got information that if your wife works, that you cannot file a joint tax return.  I guess I`m confused about this comment.

Check out the two resources I gave you.  Hopefully, it will help you out.

Cheers,

Tammy



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Kregg

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Oct 05, 2006 2:51 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Diggity,

Yes, the tax id is the same as the EIN.

You are probably being asked for an EIN by manufacturers and suppliers because they want to be sure 1) you have formed a legal (tax paying) corporation and/or 2) they know how to track you down if you take shipment the goods and abscond. Many suppliers will not ship to anyone who doesn`t have an EIN.

The EIN also serves the same purpose for a business as SSN does for an individual - gives uncle Sam a way to get into your pocket. If you plan to pay corporate income taxes you must have an EIN.

In addition to SCORE, you should check the SBA site:
http://www.sba.gov/starting_business/taxes/ein.html

You can apply online for an EIN here:
http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=102766,00. html

Good Luck
Kregg2006-10-5 15:1:4
Diggity

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Oct 07, 2006 9:16 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Thanks for the info everyone.  Tammy, I think I was confused about the joint tax return issue.  I got an email from a Score volunteer who set me straight.  SCORE seems like an incredible resource - I found out there is an office only about 15 minutes from our house, so I definitely plan on contacting them.

Thanks!
-Diggity
fmapap

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Jan 02, 2007 11:49 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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First off, I do know I should be going to an accountant for these questions and I will be sometime this month but I`m too impatient and am very curious about the questions.

Just to set the stage, this year I formed an LLC with a partner for a software/webdesign company.  We both have normal 9-5 jobs and do this work mostly in the evening.  This past year we had no revenue (as we`ve bee doing mostly development) and a small amount of direct expenses.  So now a few questions

1) Even though we have little expenses and no revenue should we still see a CPA (I`m pretty sure I know the answer but figured I`d ask)?

2) Since this year (and probably next year) revenue will be low and expenses high (or at least higher) do our losses roll over to regular income to reduce our net?

3) If my partner and I plan to be 50/50 partners but we spend different amounts on expenses can we easily write off different amounts as losses?

4) In a situation like ours what would you consider reasonable things to expense?  Home office space? Home office supplies? Any other common things I may be forgetting?

5) Any other things a newbie like me should be thinking about and/or doing?

Thanks in advance,

Frank

MNGrillGuy

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Jan 03, 2007 12:13 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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1)  No way.  This should be easy to do with tax software.  (Schedule C)

2)  Your losses roll over to reduce each of the partners regular income as a % of ownership.

3)  You can`t write off different amounts if you are 50/50.  You should square up with each other before filling the taxes.  Or change the % ownership accordingly.

4)  This is where an accountant is useful.  Or due so web research.  Tax software helps here as well.

5)  Keep good records of all transactions.  Set up a seperate business account if you haven`t done that yet. 



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PatP3005

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Jan 06, 2007 3:33 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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1) I don`t think you need a CPA. I do think you need an accountant or bookkeeper. You will be greatly rewarded with what they can teach you. A good one should help you see where to make improvements in spending, billing, pricing, etc.

2 & 3) I agree with MNGrillGuy.

4) You need a separate bank account for your business. EVERYTHING having to do with your business should come into and go out of that account. If you try to keep it straight with receipts and journals, you`re just creating a lot of extra work for yourself and will very likely miss deductions.

You might consider using a simple accounting program like Quicken or Microsoft`s newOffice Accounting 2007. Right now they are offering it for free. You just need to download it from their site.

Pat Palmer

Accutrack Business Solutions

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startsmallbiz

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Jul 23, 2007 3:33 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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We`ve already purchased supplies from a business that won`t tell us its EIN.  The owner thinks that if we don`t have his EIN, we can`t report his income to the IRS and he can then dodge taxes.  Is there a way to track down the EIN of a supplier who refuses to provide it?  Is there a way to look up the supplier`s EIN online?

glgcpa

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Jul 25, 2007 10:30 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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First off, I do know I should be going to an accountant for these questions and I will be sometime this month but I`m too impatient and am very curious about the questions.

Just to set the stage, this year I formed an LLC with a partner for a software/webdesign company.  We both have normal 9-5 jobs and do this work mostly in the evening.  This past year we had no revenue (as we`ve bee doing mostly development) and a small amount of direct expenses.  So now a few questions

1) Even though we have little expenses and no revenue should we still see a CPA (I`m pretty sure I know the answer but figured I`d ask)?

2) Since this year (and probably next year) revenue will be low and expenses high (or at least higher) do our losses roll over to regular income to reduce our net?

3) If my partner and I plan to be 50/50 partners but we spend different amounts on expenses can we easily write off different amounts as losses?

4) In a situation like ours what would you consider reasonable things to expense?  Home office space? Home office supplies? Any other common things I may be forgetting?

5) Any other things a newbie like me should be thinking about and/or doing?

Thanks in advance,

Frank



1.  If you formed an LLC "with a partner" that means you will need to file either a partnership tax return Form 1065 or a corporate tax return Form 1120 or Form 1120S.  These are complex tax returns and many elections for new businesses must be made on the initial return; thus, even though you have little to no revenue, it is usually worth your money to find and hire a good tax accountant to help you prepare this first year return.  If you don`t and you end up filing the wrong form (like a Schedule C) or not making an election (such as §195) it could end up costing you much more than the cost of a good tax accountant from the start.

2.  The answer to this question will depend on whether you are a partnership or corporation and what your LLC operating agreement states.

3.  The answer to this question should be in your LLC operating agreement.  Do you have an Operating Agreement?  When lawyers help you form your LLC they remind you of this necessity and, as long as you pay them, they will draft it for you.  If instead, you did your LLC on your own, through the Internet, they usually have a disclaimer stating that YOU are responsible for drafting this yourself.  You certainly can draft this yourself, but it needs to be done and the sooner the better.

4.  You are allowed to expense all "ordinary and necessary" expenses used to incur business income.  This is a very large list.  You specifically asked about "home office deduction".  This deduction is not available to all forms of entities; thus again, the first step is knowing if you intend to file as a partnership or corporation or S-corporation, before this question can be answered correctly.

5.  Get yourself a good tax accountant as soon as possible.

Best wishes,
Gina


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CFOtoGo

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Jul 26, 2007 2:36 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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We`ve already purchased supplies from a business that won`t tell us its EIN.  The owner thinks that if we don`t have his EIN, we can`t report his income to the IRS and he can then dodge taxes.  Is there a way to track down the EIN of a supplier who refuses to provide it?  Is there a way to look up the supplier`s EIN online?

I have had this problem many times in the past. I have a technique that works every time.

Tell your vendor, that unless they are a corporation, if you pay them more than $600 in a year, you are required to file a form 1099 with the IRS.  You can`t risk your business and your reputation, so if they don`t want to give you their EIN, you can just write "REFUSED" in the box. 

Have the vendor fill out a form W-9 for you  and keep it with your records.

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