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dadministrator

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Apr 28, 2008 12:21 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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SEO is not only about traffic and click-through - it`s about conversion. That`s why I mentioned cross-selling with another product, term, theme....your site and its copy simply doesn`t stand out from all the other generics, and therefore your traffic/click-through`s aren`t the "good" kind, i.e. the kind you actually want to click through and then buy.  I`ll bet your landing page "bounce" stats are pretty high, are they over 50%?  Prove me wrong!
stonesledge

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Apr 29, 2008 7:10 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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So what do you think you will do to get the results you are looking for?
 
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Apr 29, 2008 11:07 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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You`ve gotten lots of great feedback here.  The only thing I wanted to add is that ecommerce sites usually have a conversion rate around 1% or less so it`s not that shocking that 0 of 69 visitors converted.  I am sure some of these suggestions above will help, but you are also dealing with a numbers game to some extent either way.


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stonesledge

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Apr 29, 2008 11:24 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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I second that... gotta build the brand outside of the www and then use that as a tool for sales.

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May 02, 2008 2:25 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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I haven`t read the rest of these replies, but ...

When I go there and I look at your featured items, none of them look like coffee to me. I guess one of them is, but it has some weird picture instead of something that actually looks like a bag of coffee beans. Can you imagine going to the store and having to look for some random picture? No, you look for something that look exactly like a bag of coffee beans. As for the others, why feature presses and other items when you are trying to sell coffee? I wouldn`t go to the House of Jerky (hi Janie) and expect their featured items to be napkins or sodas. No, it`s delicious, meaty, savory-looking Jerky! See what I am saying?

(It also doesn`t help you any to not link the site in your post, btw.)

So, you talk about your company and being family owned and blah blah blah.
(Quick disclaimer: I don`t drink coffee but I just called 2 friends who do before writing this part.)
TASTE. You really don`t say anything about taste! ("How coffee should taste" doesn`t count. No one cares about how it should taste, they care about how THEY WANT IT to taste.) The thing about coffee is that it`s like any other drink ... wine, beer, tea, whatever. Everyone has their own taste. So what makes you different? This micro-roasting thing gives you CUSTOM TASTE.
My husband has me buy a bag of Major Dickinson`s from Pete`s every few weeks. (This is his latest thing ... he has had other choices since we`ve been married but this is is his current choice.) He puts it in the freezer to keep it fresh or some sort, and buys whole beans because he likes it better when he fresh-grinds it every morning. If I picked up some other bag by accident, he would know the difference. It`s just like any beverage with people who know the difference ... I can tell you the difference between Coke and Pepsi without looking, and which year a particular wine is from if it`s from one of our regular vineyards. So you need to learn how to talk directly to your audience like that. You are not after people who will drink whatever coffee is on the menu, or Folgers, or whatever ... you are after people like my mom who owns one of those $400 barista machines and uses only one brand of local organic skim milk in her coffee because it "tastes the best".

Wow, was that  Craig story or what? Hold on, let me go back and add another 6 paragraphs to it ..... (just kidding, Craig).

I would also highly recommend some traditional PR, word of mouth marketing, and other such things .... it takes more than your web site to make a company successful. Think outside the box - in this economy, the creative will survive!

nhgnikole5/2/2008 2:57 PM
CraigL

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May 03, 2008 3:46 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Wait.....where are the other 6 paragraphs? I musta spent...like...an HOUR looking all over SuN for them!! 

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Wow, Erin,
 
You did a lot of research!  Thanks for the zip file. I have been poring over the posts.  I think some of them are quite valid, and yet others are critique for the sake of critique.   I have found out something that IS working and that is I TALK to people (in the local market), find out from the discussion whether they are coffee fanatics or not.  Sometimes they know who I am and what I do from word of mouth and I get people asking me for a sample before I`ve had the conversation.  We have loyalty and referral programs that reward customers for these WOMM activities.  That is marketing that works.  So I`ll address some of the comments but I won`t name names. 
 
For instance the comment about having lists that are not highlighted as links, like many sites when you roll over your mouse the "list" item turns into a an underline and when you click to it you go right directly to that CATEGORY for the coffee.  In the coffee business, visitors know their coffees by various criteria, hence the categories, signature blends, fair trade, organic, single origin, growing region, flavored regular, flavored decaf, etc.
 
As far as the comment about clicking around and not getting to much of anything and then eventually getting to prices - HUH?  You can get to coffee products and prices by at least 3 means on the page,  and often in 1 or 2 clicks.  You can find coffee if you know what your favorite coffee is by name, what growing region it comes from, if you like Fair Trade, Organic, Bird-friendly coffees, by roast style ("I like medium dark") coffee, flavored, unflavored, decaf, etc.  Not everybody shops for coffee in one way.
 
As far as the "other stuff we sell",  We specialize in the "unplugged" coffee brewing experience, and the tast difference between any coffee brewed in an automatic electric coffee maker and the unplugged experience is dramatic.  We also speak of that on our site in "the more you know" section which appears as a section unto itself on the home page.  Cross selling related items is a standard merchandising tactic that WORKS.  It make take me raw materials and labor to produce a coffee product at a decent margin.  It takes me nothing to buy something at wholesale and flip it at retail and it RELATES TO THE CORE PRODUCT.
 
I have run at least 2 other online retail businesses in the past 10 years, and sidelines account for at least 50% of the sales.  In fact I have one customer who is also a professional associate of mine in my "day job".  I gave him a bag of coffee. He likes the coffee - says it`s like no other he`s ever tasted.  He has a K-cup brewer that he and his wife is unsatisfied with.  He browsed my site and is very interested in (as he puts it - "soup to nuts" brewing stuff to replace his unreliable K-cup brewer). He has to convince his wife to spend the money.   Sales is a process and I`m working the process.  For the COGS of about $5 for a bag of coffee, he is planning on spending the cash for a Burr Grinder, 2L carafe or airpot, filter cone, filters, cleaning agent, and a French Press.  That`s over $150 in related merchandise with a 50% margin...for giving a way a bag of coffee and establishing a relationship.  Filters and cleaning agent are consumables, and thus part of the repeat purchase experience along with the coffee.  Ignoring cross-sell opportunities of sideline items in any online retail experience is just plain foolish in my experience.
 
As far as highlighting links, etc.  The web has changed, but I am in fundamental agreement with this one.  However the "static blue text with an underline" type of link is passe` and there are other ways to highlight.  I`m not crazy about the black text that changes when you rollover it (because the link value is not apparent to the user scanning the page), but I can fix that with a style change.
 
We do have a restaurant chain that we are supplying already, and a short list of repeat retail customers in the local, California, and Florida markets created strictly by WOMM.  We did accomplish that having only been online since Feb 1 of this year.
 
What I`m finding, however is that paid AdWords gets me visibility in the first page of sponsored links, and puts me right alongside Seattle`s Best, Green Mountain, Starbucks, etc. and visitors do click through, but competing with established brands I`m a nobody at this point.  I recognize that.  But I do have to take notice that those clicks that did come to my site, did choose me over Green Mountain, Seattle`s Best, etc. so I must have aroused curiosity.  Perhaps I still need to work on the "compell to buy" proposition.
 
And for those who think I`m just a newbie amateur on the web, I`ve been  guiding companies as a web and enterprise architect since 1996 to put their products on the web, perform stock trades, apply for multimillion dollar capital acquisitions (airplanes, trains, etc) and managing the financing securely and remotely, from small mom-and-pops to Fortune 100 companies.  I`m far from new to the web/e-comm wholesale and retail space, and I bring the experience of those 10+  years as well as having run 2 online businesses that sold retail items long before e-comm became mainstream.
 
I appreciate the input from all of you, and especially you Erin for putting a positive spin on it and doing so much research.  Trust that it will not go unnoticed or underutilized.  It`s great information for me to compare and contrast to and perhaps pull something out - a technique, or value proposition or something else that will give me an edge in the competitive field of Roasted-to-Order specialty coffee.
 
Best regards to all,
Kevin, Roastmaster/CEO, Isla Java Coffee Co., LLC
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stonesledge

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May 03, 2008 11:34 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Hi Kevin,
 
You are very welcome.
 
I have two people I think you would enjoy bouncing ideas off of. They are both in your industry. They both would be delighted to discuss what they are doing, trends, resources, events, tricks of the trade, what has worked for them and what has not. You also can give them a different perspective from your standpoint and background. If you are open to that I would be more than happy to put you in contact. Just Pm me, and I can provide you with my email or phone to give you their info. I have learned that in life and in business that you can only grow with first a plan to do so of course but what really motivates is excitement in knowledge. I am always excited when an associate of mine brings up some new ways to do things. Things of would of never imagined were a possibility. It not only a new way to discover growth but motivates me to want to do better. There is so "much" out there, and the more I look, the less I know and this is what keeps me reaching.
 
You have definitely done your homework from what you explained above and having been on the www for 3 months and already been successful, that is quite an accomplishment. You know how to make this work from your previous experience. I say, surround yourself with like minded folks and stay excited everyday about what you are doing. Your possibilities are limitless. This excitement will spill over into all you do, especially sales and volume.
 
Erin


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CraigL

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May 03, 2008 4:16 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Reading so far, I`m seeing a possible trend. I`ve often spoken with people who say something about how they don`t know what they want to do at the moment. I`ll start coming up with ideas, brainstorming, and so forth, and an odd trend beings to emerge. They keep telling me why that won`t work....whatever it is we`re discussing.

A specific problem often refers back to a larger issue of overall perspective. When something isn`t working, you either can hang onto what you`re doing with an emotional investment in it, or you can let it go and try something radically different. That applies to just about anything.

A variation on explaining why something won`t work, regardless of how many different thoughts and ideas, is to explain why what you`re currently doing is the best solution and best idea, and why it will work.....someday. That too is an emotional investment in a process.

So it`s up to you. If you`re happy with the number of visitors, customers, and sales you`re achieving, then definitely you should continue what you`re doing, and build on those same processes. On the other hand, if things aren`t actually working, it`d make sense to take a look at how invested you are in the existing processes and methods. Is that personal investment clouding your judgement.
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Craig,
 
Those are some interesting observations.  We`ll take them under consideration.
 
Kevin


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