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CraigL

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Feb 19, 2007 5:15 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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:-) It`s funny, but on the "model for failure" thread, PatentAndTrademark proposes that failure results from not knowing one`s level of ignorance. And now here we`re showing examples that astonishing successes can take place for exactly the same reason---not knowing one`s ignorance.

Makes you wonder what`s the truth? When is ignorance a good thing, and when is it catastrophic?
iouone2

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Feb 20, 2007 4:24 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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CraigL... Great point. When is it? I am ignorant about everything... so much so, that I tend to second guess myself due to lack of knowledge. I guess it makes me dig a little further with my ideas before pursuing but sometimes that can be deadly too... it`s called procrastination. 

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CraigL

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Feb 21, 2007 12:11 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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I`d say the dividing line rests on secondary consequences. In the situations we`ve discussed on this thread, 1 person was ignorant of how things were done and therefore, created a new way of doing things.

But on the other thread, 1 person attempted to enter into a set of events that not only are controlled by others, the events also have consequences that go beyond that 1 person`s actions.

So suppose I want to build a car engine. As long as I`m on my farm, messin` with parts and blowing things up, I`m the only one facing the consequences. But if I decide to drive a car through town and I`m totally ignorant of cars, roads, and traffic rules, I could easily kill a family of four.

The deciding characteristic, then, is knowing when you`re alone in your actions and when you`re going to affect others with your actions.

Choosing to learn something all on your own, "recreating the wheel," so to speak, can often lead to total failure and a huge waste of time. But it also can lead to inventing a fundamentally different way of doing things. It`s in the "learning" part that the distinction lies, relative to ignorance and its consequences.

Consider people who`ve learned, all on their own, that sending a registered letter is a great way to trademark or copyright their product. That`s fine, as long as they never intend for the product ever to reach the open market. As long as their learning never impacts a surrounding society, they perhaps have learned something new.

But objective thought---critical analysis---requires testing a hypothesis against reality.
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chokolaj

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Mar 02, 2007 7:54 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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It reminds me of the story of the farm boy who entered into a major 2 day foot race. Most of the other runners were just that, runners. This was the boy’s first race and showed up in comfortable work clothes.

 

When the starting gun fired they all took off, and soon had a formidable lead. The boy was concerned but did not give up.

 

You can understand why the awaiting fans at the finish line were in awe as they saw the farm boy at the end with no other runners in sight. After the race ended and he earned his prize they asked; how did you do it? How did you finish so fast in your very first race? Turns out he didn’t realize he was supposed to sleep!

 

Some of you may have heard that before, but I am always surprised to hear people taking it as “ignorance is bliss” when I believe the main moral is never set your goals according to what your competitors are trying to achieve, or what they may be doing. Set your goals based on your own strength, comparing yourself to your own “best self”. Where you are now and where you want to be. Only then can you make a plan to get there.  

 

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katiemae45

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Apr 16, 2007 4:08 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Very inspired by your story considering I will not give up on my homemade chicken potpies making the market.  Google has what you want, I believe.  I just typed in what you said you needed with the year you need and it came up.  Please go overthere and check it out.  Good Luck!
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