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bert

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Jan 11, 2008 9:50 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Aaron, great information!  Thank you...



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Bert at Harvey Software, Inc.
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Jan 12, 2008 2:39 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Aaron, great information!  Thank you...




Anytime.  One thing I should note that before you buy an X-Cart you`ll need to see if your hosting company can handle the specific PHP calls the cart will need to make.  They have a document to make sure your hosting company is compatible with X-Cart.  It`s a pretty simple test.  I know for sure that GoDaddy`s shared hosting can`t handle X-Cart and they won`t change it (their hosting is a bit in the dark ages if you ask me).  Also, if you need to change hosting companies, don`t use the X-Cart recommended hosting companies as they are a rip off.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask.


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Xsd01

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Jan 24, 2008 11:52 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Hey Bert,
 
Just a bit of info on my experiences, I`ve actually used Zen Cart on several sites and have always liked its ease of use, reporting methods, payment integrations, and the fact you can install additional modules to assist in cross selling and so much more.
 
One thing to consider if you already have a hosting solution is that if your site has Cpanel or Plesk and are equipped with fantastico installing some shopping carts are as easy as clicking a few buttons and putting in basic info (what directory you want it installed in, what login and password you want, etc...).
 
Also, one thing I like about Zen Cart, is depending on the design your site has, it can be very easy to incorporate zen cart so the site looks seemless (an example I did over the weekend is www.custom-cutouts.com). As for support with Zen Cart and many of the open source carts, the forums are pretty active over at their sites and they have a lot of people who are generally willing to give some advice or answers.
 
If there`s any questions you have regarding zen cart, I`d be happy to help.


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bert

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Jan 25, 2008 11:30 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Thank you utropicmedia and Robert for the input.  I will check this all out.

Robert, thank you for the offer to help with questions too!  I have found your input on SuN very informative.  I have to wonder how Zen Cart makes ends meet with just donations.  Doesn`t it concern your customers if Zen Cart fails because they do not make enough in donations?



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Bert at Harvey Software, Inc.
Multi-Carrier Shipping Software and Supply Chain Solutions for Internet Retailers

Also a provider of free shipping information and resources at Harvey Software`s Parcel Shipping Blog along with free tracking solutions at TrackingPage.com...
Xsd01

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Jan 25, 2008 1:14 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Hey Bert,
 
The one thing with ZenCart is it not only has its core team developing things, it has a whole community that makes modules and advancements to the software. What Zen Cart does then is release their new version after they make sure everything is secure and in working order, or they make the modules available on their site after they`ve tested to make sure they don`t break the system and don`t compromise security.
 
So in essence, much like many open source projects with good communities, you`ll always have people helping make the product better. Also, even if they took down the Zen Cart site tomorrow, the functionality of the current installed software would not change. Not to mention with all the active programmers on their boards, I`m sure they`d just find or make a new site where they can continue advancing the system.
 
I`m glad you did bring up that point though, because it depends on how any cart selected works what will happen if the company that produces it closes shop. Example, is you have a cart that is not open source and you pay x amount of dollars for every year (there are some that do this) and then that company closes shop, come the end of your term, if the system is programmed to not operate without getting a new license code or connecting to their site to confirm payment, you could wind up out of luck. The same results can happen is you get something like prestocart or volusion, where your whole cart system is hosted on their servers, if they go out of business, you could just loose everything.
 
That`s why I`ve generally suggest open source, due to the ease of modifying it to fit your needs (both on the backend and frontend), the ability to add custom modules created specifically for your site, and the knowledge that unless your hosting company closes shop you shouldn`t have any problems. In fact, I just did a zen cart move from one server to a new one the other day because my client decided he wanted a new hosting company. The transfer involved me copying all the files from the server, making a database backup, uploading to the new server and changing 3 or 4 files and it was active and working again. The hardest part of the would have been the database backup, but since most servers have access to PHPMyAdmin or similar Database GUIs, its just clicking a few buttons to get the files, and clicking a few to put them up elsewhere.
 
It`s that ease of setting up zen cart (which can be done most times through fantastico if the server has it), of developing and maintaining the system, and just known customer experience of the cart has always made it one of my favorite carts.


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bert

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Jan 25, 2008 2:02 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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That`s is an interesting way of looking at it.  Do you know how long zen cart has been around?

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Bert at Harvey Software, Inc.
Multi-Carrier Shipping Software and Supply Chain Solutions for Internet Retailers

Also a provider of free shipping information and resources at Harvey Software`s Parcel Shipping Blog along with free tracking solutions at TrackingPage.com...
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Jan 25, 2008 2:29 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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If I remember right, they got their start in 2003, which is also the release year of the OSCommerce they originally modeled themselves after, and I setup my first one in the summer of 2004. I`ve setup at least a dozen or so since then and have upgraded most of those, but even the two that never got upgraded still run smoothly.

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bert

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Jan 25, 2008 3:01 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Have any of the customers where you set up Zen cart made any donations to them?

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Bert at Harvey Software, Inc.
Multi-Carrier Shipping Software and Supply Chain Solutions for Internet Retailers

Also a provider of free shipping information and resources at Harvey Software`s Parcel Shipping Blog along with free tracking solutions at TrackingPage.com...
Xsd01

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Jan 25, 2008 4:04 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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If I`m getting paid to setup Zen Cart (install, design the templates, etc...) then I normally make a donation on the clients behalf. I do have a few clients that have done like a $10/year donation for using the script. Part of that is because they say you have to make a donation to remove the "Powered by Zencart", even though you can do it without making the donation, because either way you have to change it in the template code.

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Robert Carter
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bert

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Jan 25, 2008 5:00 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Robert, have you seen any numbers on how many are installed nationally?

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Bert at Harvey Software, Inc.
Multi-Carrier Shipping Software and Supply Chain Solutions for Internet Retailers

Also a provider of free shipping information and resources at Harvey Software`s Parcel Shipping Blog along with free tracking solutions at TrackingPage.com...
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