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MattTurpin

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Sep 28, 2009 10:36 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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I'm about to do all the state and government aspects of starting my cafe, and it's daunting. I'm forming a LLC. Legalzoom.com seems to be the perfect solution. They'll do all the name searching and paper gathering and whatnot. The hardest part about starting my own business right now is determining what forms I need. What insurances are mandatory? What does the IRS need? The state? It's mindboggling. I did some research last night on the prices of various forms I can submit, and this could either cost me a hundred or two, or thousands. They certainly don't make it easy. No information is easy to find, and none of it is particularly well explained, if at all. How did you fellow entrepreneurs go about this stage of the game? Did you hire a lawyer? Did you go it alone? Anyone use Legalzoom? Advice is greatly appreciated. I feel like a fish out of water at this point. I know how to apply for loans, and I know how to make coffee, but the papers I'm getting into now are so vital legally, I can't afford to misstep. God forbid I land in prison because I submitted form 1357A instead of 1020D.



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Rich

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Sep 28, 2009 10:41 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Matt,

which of your questions is most urgent? throwing that many out at once might not be the most effective way to get help!



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MattTurpin

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Sep 28, 2009 11:32 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Oh, sorry, I should've been more clear. The top set of questions were just examples of the ones I was asking myself - IE insurances, IRS and all. I'm mostly asking how people went about doing the paperwork, the mountain of bureaucracy - alone, lawyer, etc, and if anyone else used legalzoom like I plan to.



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robertj

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Sep 29, 2009 11:28 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Matt,

Take one step at a time.

1. Why or how did you come to decide on an LLC as the structure of choice?

          In what State do you plan to file?

2. Will the entity have one or more owners - initially?

3. Is that subject to change in the near future?

If you want to discuss your specific situation, send me a PM or contact me directly.

Robert j




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FastVentures

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Sep 29, 2009 12:16 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Matt, I think Rich and Robert are right. You make it sound worse than it is. Take a step back and resolve one issue after another and you’ll find that some questions and issues will start clearing up just by pursuing a sequential approach.

 

First you will need to decide what organizational structure is most suitable for you. This is usually determined by the nature of your business, whether or not you work with partners, expected risk exposure, potential need for outside financing, etc.

 

The most popular structures are C-Corps and LLCs; but there are of course others. The big difference between a C-Corp and LLC is that the C-Corp is a separate tax entity while the LLC is a so-called flow-through entity. This is an important distinction because if you’re operating as a C-Corp, you’ll face “double taxation”. This is due to the profits of the Corp being subject to corporate income tax and then any dividends or financial gains that are allocated to shareholders are again subject to personal income taxes. I know it sounds crazy but the C-Corp is widely preferred among potential equity investors because it tends to afford management and shareholders a stronger corporate veil than other corporate structures.

 

The LLC on the other hand is a very simple corporate structure that affords the management and members/shareholders limited liability without imposing double-taxation. A good way to look at this is that if the LLC generated a profit of $10,000 and you happen to own 50% of the company, your personal and taxable income will automatically increase by $5,000.

 

Forming a C-Corp or LLC is a rather simple and straightforward process in most states and can usually be handled without professional help. Legalzoom is certainly a great starting point, but you would be amazed how helpful most states and even the IRS are when it comes to fostering entrepreneurship. Most state websites offer the required forms for download or point you to wizard-like online filing options. Cost for incorporating both entities are either slight below or above $100 depending on what state you file. Both entities also require that you have a designated registered agent, which you can be yourself if you reside in the same state as your business. It really isn’t complicated at all.

 

After you filed your “articles of incorporation” or “articles of organization” with the state, you can move on to applying for a Federal Employer Identification Number (FEIN) with the IRS. The IRS, just like most states makes this process very easy by providing an online and fax application process. In most cases, you’ll be able to get a temporary FEIN on the spot, which is later replaced by your permanent FEIN, which will arrive in the mail.

 

That’s about it.

 

Well, if you work with partners, the process is slightly more complex as you need to determine what corporate structure is most suitable for them. In all likelihood, it will boil down to either a C-Corp or LLC. You would also be well advised to draft and execute a shareholder or partnership agreement, just to make sure everybody is on the same page.

 

The state where you incorporated will automatically notify the state’s department of revenue, which will usually introduce itself by sending a tax manual and corresponding forms in the mail.

 

If you still think the task at hand is overwhelming or your case differs from the basic scenario I described above, please feel free to send me a PM and we can help you with that.

 

I hope this helps.

 

 

Mark



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Sam142

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Sep 29, 2009 1:38 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Great info Mark.  I live in Los Angeles and am considering a social media startup in either Delaware or Texas.  Are there any specific or legal reasons one must incorporate in one's own state?


Thanks,

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FastVentures

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Sep 30, 2009 10:57 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Sam, you’re not necessarily required to incorporate in the state you live in, but you should consider it. While many businesses incorporate in Delaware to take advantage of the state’s more liberal and business orientated legal system, doing so requires quite a bit of maintenance as you will need to retain a registered agent and file annual reports and tax returns to keep the company active and in good standing.

 

With that being said, being incorporated in Delaware doesn’t spare you from having to register as a “foreign entity” in your home state, in your case California. This is due to your physical office location being located in California.

 

Since you mentioned that you’ll be starting a web-based business, there might be a chance that you’ll get away without being registered in California, but the IRS has established a number of criteria based on which they determine a business’ physical location. For example, where is the company’s checking account, where are most deposits made, etc.

 

So, unless the risk profile of your social networking startup is unusually high, you’re probably better off incorporating in California, although this will subject you to an annual minimum franchise tax of $700 (can be waived in the first year).

 

If you’re interested in discussing your project in greater detail, please feel free to send me a PM and I will try to give you a few more pointers.

 

I hope this helps.

 

 

Mark

 



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MattTurpin

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Oct 01, 2009 3:10 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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What I'm shooting for is a limited liability corporation where I'm the only owner/executive. I'd go sole proprietorship if it weren't for the liability. The only thing I need from any sort of corporate structure is legal protection. I don't want stocks of any sort - at least not in the sense that I understand stocks. I don't want investors and the hassle of board meetings. The only funding this cafe is getting is my savings and personal loans I'm taking with my own credit. Simplicity and safety - that's what I'm after. S Corp and C Corp seem like more hassle than they're worth.



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Wes123

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Feb 08, 2013 3:28 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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I would set up a simple one person LLC --> http://www.perfectdocs.org/collections/limited-liability-company-llc    I used the forms here before and had success. Try "attorney1" - I believe it still works and was 50% off



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