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I have never heard of Javascript helping get a site indexed, crawled, or ranked higher in SERP`s; many spiders won`t even read Javascript due to the potential of malicious code and hidden content ( a "black hat technique" ). Javascript and flash are, for the most part, not search engine friendly. Your site can still be spidered and indexed even with Javascript in the pages, obviously, but the content within the script tags will often be overlooked.

The keys to getting spidered and indexed are not hard to understand or implement into a site. Proper coding, metas, quality content made for site users with keyword included, easy navigation of the site, H1/H2/alt/title tags where needed, inbound links from quality sites .... those are the really basic elements that make a difference. Nothing fancy, but they work.

Personally, I wouldn`t be sold on javascript being the difference maker.


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M Hall
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starrhorne, 

It isn`t really a big deal, but on some terms there are millions and millions of dollars spent, so I think it is an important topic and not so easy actually. For example, try to get in the top 10 under the term laptops. For my employer we spend a huge amount of money on this issue (and I mean huge).

It is hopeful though because often a small business, with owners that know what they are doing, is able to get better Google love than large corporations. Large corporations often have terribly complicated web shops that don`t allow for easy SEO. Having a flexible web platform where you can easily make changes to your code can immediately get great rank. 

Also, I think you take for granted your ranking. I see that you are using Wordpress as your CMS, so you are benefiting (without even knowing it maybe) from the hard work of hundreds of people around the world who have put tremendous thought into SEO and made a system that, out of the box, delivers what you need for high rankings in Google. Not everyone has that luxury.

If I can make a far out comparison; it is a bit like saying, "I don`t know why those Africans are making such a big deal about not having any electricity I just plug something in the wall here and I have plenty of electricity."

I personally think someone is just trying to sell a product. The boxer lady stated the JS was free. Then the TJ guy will not give it up free. He is trying to sell a product by telling people to call him and that he is starting a new turnkey venture etc.

This is my two cents but possibly are these people working together to sell a JS product that is half baked?

No to mention because you are #8 for a search term like "my boxer puppy likes good treats." I mean, how many people will actually search for that term?

Here are the keywords to you boxerhaus.com`s website:

<meta name="KeyWords" content="boxer dog, boxer dog gifts, boxer dog toys, boxer dog store, boxer dog products, boxer dog merchandise, boxer dog stuff, boxer dog items, dog show trophies">

Now go to Google and type in one of those keywords like boxer dog, or boxer dog gifts.

For boxer dog stuff I searched 6 pages and couldn`t see your site at all. boxer dog gifts you are on page 2.

Now say you type if DOG GIFTS and see where you are listed. I went through 10 pages and didnt see the website.

Also, personally I have never heard of search engines indexing javascripts and/or javascript assisting users with increasing page rank.

I just personally think someone is trying to sell a product or service here.

 

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I think you`re probably right, bytenram. Somebody`s probably trying to sell something. Although to tell you the truth I`m not sure what exactly. 

healthweaver - I went back and read my post, and I think I was agreeing with you.

Sure, "laptops" might be tough to rank for, but I bet you I could be number one for "pink laptops with purple polkadots" in a week, just  because no one`s competing for that term.

Also, wordpress is great, but there`s no secret SEO sauce in it. Everything it does, you could do just as easily by hand.


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starrhorne, I am sure you could be #1. I agree that specific term targeting can be easy. And in fact, any traffic that came off of that term would be very valuable.

But, I adamantly disagree with you about Wordpress not having any SEO sauce in it. An yes, you could do it by hand, but part of the popularity of Wordpress is the quality of the code that comes out. To have a professional quality content management system (CMS) that is set up to be SEF (Search Engine Friendly) is very valuable. In my experience, that level of SEF is most certainly not easy to come by for the systems used by most organizations. Blogging tools do better, but webshops really don`t.

Most people don`t have the knowledge, experience, or resources to custom build any type of CMS or webshop from scratch and so they buy from others and often these systems are terrible for SEF. Just look at the two companies listed here. They are obviously using a pre-made webshop and well illustrates the point.

Anyway, not trying to be disagreeable, I just think that it can be really challenging for a lot of people to understand what to do.

I was reading this thread and decided to do some research. Here`s what I found using the search phrase "boxer dog gifts" ....

• Google ... #14
• Yahoo ..... # 6
• Live ........ # 5
• AOL ......  #12

Using the search phrase "boxer dog stuff" ... here`s what I found ...

• Yahoo ...... #3
• Ask .......... #1
• Lycos ....... #1

As far as the other web site ... using "trucking accessories" Here`s what I found ...

• Google ... #1
• Yahoo .... .#2
• Live ........ #4
• AOL ....... #1

I really don`t think this is an effort to sell anything, I think it was originally posted to show that different tools can be used to help increase you SERP. (Search Engine Rank Placement).

I`m a little familiar with the parts of the 2 sites and from what I understand the java script used works with the data base to make it more search engine friendly.

From looking at the sites also, I see that not only do they have a.cgi based store, but also have every item in .html pages as well, that work directly with the shopping cart. (Nice, as it expands the site from a 7 page web site to a 700 page web site.) Now that would be an interesting discussion.

Remember these 2 sites are micro-niche sites, tightly targeted, and focused on specific markets.

Can either of them make it? Only time will tell. I`m not sure if the 2nd one will move further though, given other circumstances. Time will tell.

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You have a PM.

As far as the java script goes ... can you give any other explanation as to HOW the guy`s web site has reached such rankings in less than 2 yrs then?

.I know for certain that no money was spent on SEO, submissions, or AdWords.

(Trust me when I say that all of these "attacks" are really a mute question though. Thats all I`ll say on the subject.)

Hey blondieblue, I like your previous comments (by the way, what does PM stand for?) about going from cgi to html, where can you see this on the site?

It is possible, like many other sites, that despite doing many SEO things wrong this site happens to be where people find what they are looking for around big rig trucks.

Google highlights that links from authorative sources have a big impact and also search click behavoir also influences the rankings. I would guess that people searching for truck accessories end up spending more time on this site (or boxer dogs as it may be).

" Do some research on SEO and see if a JavaScript can increase your link relevancy, back links etcs.  There is way more to search engines and polling HIGH than a piece of javascript.  This javascript is not the key here. "

I totally agree. JS has nothing to do with SEO, keywords, content, inbound links, etc. As was stated before, it does things like add interactivity and effect to a web page; there is nothing as far as SEO where it is any benefit.

As to how a site gets high ranking within 2 years .... that, IMO, isn`t a bragging point. I have put sites at the top of the 3 main search engines in less than 6 months, against some huge competitors, by following basic standard SEO procedures, without some "magical" javascript. This also has nothing to do, IMO, with cgi/asp/php content put into .htm pages; that can easily be achieved with url rewriting in the htaccess file ( I`ve done it many times ), not javascript ( if it can, please show me how ).

But, in all fairness, if someone can supply me with a link to this program, I am willing to download it and browse through the code to try to see what may be there. I have mentioned this overall topic to some people who are whizzes in the SEO field to get their opinions, and without actually seeing this js, most are pretty skeptical. If this is valid, we`d all be interested in seeing it.


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M Hall
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