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chuckransom

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Nov 09, 2007 1:32 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Hello forum,

 

I am a new member as well as a new “official” small business owner. For the past 5 years I have been a club promoter for several night clubs in my area. Generally I am paid in cash by the club owners or as a part of my take of the entrance fee of any club I promote. Recently I tried to purchase my first home but was denied not because of my credit score which is good, but because of lack of proof of income. Since then, I have incorporated my business in an effort to have more official record keeping about my income.

 

My question is: Is an accountant really necessary in the beginning? I don’t think my needs are complex but I tend to deal in a lot of cash and need help to make my business income seem as legitimate as possible to banks and the IRS. I have a guy who does my yearly taxes but my question is do I need a consultant type of accountant and not just a tax guy?  Any thoughts?

PiperTax

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Nov 09, 2007 3:01 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Many, many business owners do their own bookkeeping. The math involved is rarely complicated, and a basic-level of accounting is certainly something you could learn to do on your own if you wanted to take the time to read an "Accounting/QuickBooks for Dummies" type of book.

It`s really a question of

  1. Do you want to do the work? and
  2. Would it be more efficient for you to contract it out? (ie, in the time you would save by getting help with it would you be able to earn more than enough money to pay for the accountant`s hours?)


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CookieMonster

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Nov 09, 2007 9:04 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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If the business is simple - money in, expenses out - then most of your accounting needs can be managed by keeping your checkbook balanced, keeping invoices, and keeping receipts. That`s all you should need.
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Nov 09, 2007 9:15 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Hello forum,

 

I am a new member as well as a new “official” small business owner. For the past 5 years I have been a club promoter for several night clubs in my area. Generally I am paid in cash by the club owners or as a part of my take of the entrance fee of any club I promote. Recently I tried to purchase my first home but was denied not because of my credit score which is good, but because of lack of proof of income. Since then, I have incorporated my business in an effort to have more official record keeping about my income.

 

My question is: Is an accountant really necessary in the beginning? I don’t think my needs are complex but I tend to deal in a lot of cash and need help to make my business income seem as legitimate as possible to banks and the IRS. I have a guy who does my yearly taxes but my question is do I need a consultant type of accountant and not just a tax guy?  Any thoughts?




Several thoughts:
  1. If you have been a small business owner for 5 years then you should have "proof of income".  Assuming you operated as a sole proprietor a bank requests a personal financial statement and the last 3 years of tax returns, which would correspond to your reported income on your tax return.  You can do this yourself, but accountant`s do it regularly so it`s usually a lot easier for them to assemble this in a format that is pleasing to a bank.
  2. You said you just "incorporated".  If this is the case then there is much more of a need for a balance sheet as well as an income statement, even if you do not have the assets and/or income that requires reporting this information to the IRS, they do expect that you have it.  Again, you can produce this information yourself, but if you`re looking for a bank loan or if you have any "issues" with the IRS you may prefer to have an accountant help you because they know what these people are looking for which is often different than what the basic reports that QuickBooks (or other out of the box software products) can produce.  These software products are great for internal management purposes and routine tax returns, anything else you may wish to hire a professional.
  3. It shouldn`t matter that you are a cash intensive business.


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CrossCountry

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Nov 11, 2007 12:43 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Chuck ~
 
A bookkeeper and an accountant are, in most respects, two different things.  A bookkeeper will cost you less and do all the "grunt" work of getting and keeping it all together and can produce financial statements for you.
 
Quickbooks is an easy accounting program to learn and use, if you`re the do it yourself type.
 
If not, interview several bookkeeping services until you find one that understands your business, is qualified to maintain your books in a timely and accurate manner, and can offer verifiable references.  Most importantly, find one who is receptive enough for you to feel comfortable with.   Being able to communicate your needs is an absolute MUST so a good relationship with your bookkeeper is very, very important.
 
Most bookkeepers, myself included, offer virtual [online] bookkeeping.  With the technology the way it is these days, it`s very easy to accomplish and requires only a minimal amount of work on yours or any business owner`s part.
 
Gina`s right on all 3 points, BTW.  If you don`t have time to educate yourself, outsourcing is the best way to go in order to comply with banking and lending institution requirements.
 
Good luck in your new endeavour.


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kjlltd

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Nov 14, 2007 10:49 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Chuck,
I see some potential red flags in what you have said. For one thing if you have been reporting your income on your tax return that should be proof of your income, if not I would recommend amending those returns.
Another point is that I read that the IRS is targeting sole proprietors for audits, especially consultants and construction people. That means any return for the past three years not the present year.
Also if you have incorporated you will need to treat yourself as an employee and pay yourself as such. This means payroll reporting which is more involved that what most people think. Payroll reporting is monitored MUCH more than income taxes and the penalties are steep. This is where the IRS catches a lot of the tax evaders. I have seen some big problems from people that were lax on payroll reporting. One company, which I did not want to touch as a client, had liens on their homes and were in a position to lose there homes if they did not get things taken care of. If you are not familiar with payroll reporting hire someone to do this for you. You will save money and aggrevation in the long run.
 
Kathy Lauwagie CPA MBA
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jollivee

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Jun 22, 2009 5:34 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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I guess an accountant is necessary for your business or else the IRS would question your income taxes etc., A bookkeeper is different from an accountant. But I`d rather have an accountant. Mesa Accountant
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Aug 18, 2009 4:17 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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My accountant has saved me SO MUCH money.   In addition, in 15 years I have had many issues with the state and the IRS loosing paperwork, not wanting to return money to me or whatever.   My accountant was always there to take care of the problem and let me go about my own business.  What took her an hour or two to resolve could have taken me many days of trying to figure out what the heck to do.



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Oct 26, 2009 9:22 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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i am a cpa, also a finance charterholder. i have multiple small businesses at the same time.  i could do all the work myself, but i chose not to in the interest of added luxury time and a bit of peace of mind.  i would never hesitate to "outsource" a service that i find ads very little value to my business top line (i see it as admin work) given the cost is reasonable. you don't want to work in your business, you want to work ON your business



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Jan 13, 2010 12:51 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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A good accountant doesn't cost you money. They save you money and time!

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