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I`ve been playing around with  the new IE8 Beta release, testing some of the sites I`ve built, and one I have in progress.

Ughhh.

So far it`s a nightmare. One site I have online, IE8 will not render the entire page, even with page refreshes, and states there are errors ( funny, other browsers don`t tell me that ). It would be nice if it would tell me what it thinks the errors are. Even in compatibility mode, it won`t display correctly.

Another site I`m developing looks perfect in FF, Opera, Chrome and older IE versions, yet refuses to center the page via the css file. Floats and clears aren`t being applied.

I finally gave up even looking at it. At least it`s beta, and barely being used that I know of.

BTW .... does "beta" mean the same as "buggy" .... ?



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M Hall
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I stopped ussing IE a while back because of all the problems.  I now us FireFox.

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I wonder if there`s any relation to Microsoft`s having to lay off people for I think the first time in the company history? Or maybe there`s some kind of connection to so many of their talented people having been wooed away to Google?

I used to work for MS until recently. I left voluntarily a while before the layoffs.

I used to use IE as my preferred browser until I started building serious web sites and using CSS. Then I saw that IE has it all wrong. I tried FireFox 3 and was hooked in a day. It is so much faster and renders correctly. Now I just use IE to verify a site will render, but no longer use it for production.

I believe the layoffs are a result of MS playing follow the leader. They have tons of money in the bank and no financial reason to lay off, other than Wall Street was suggesting to do so, which in theory should raise the stock price. But the opposite happened.

MS violated rule #1 for layoffs: cut once and cut deep. Instead, they laid off 1400 last week, with another 3600 to be cut over the next 18 months. The rumor is the next round will come around April 30th. To add insult to injury, there appears to be no rhyme or reason to who they laid off. So now I have a bunch of former co-workers all wondering who`s next.

I`m glad I got out when I did. At least I don`t have to worry about firing myself.

Alas, Microsoft has become the IBM they loathed so much in the `80s and `90s...

Steve

Funny, because with IBM sort of aligned with AMD, they`re taking on an image of being more forward-looking, innovative, and technically proficient. I guess it`s one of those "and the wheels go `round and `round" kinds of things. :-)

I am not looking forward to making every website my company has created in years past IE8 compatible. Sounds like you are not the only one that has had issues with the compatibilty mode that they so nicely built in to prevent these problems.


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Since it is still in Beta stage, I guess MS would look forward to fixing some of the bugs coming from the testers.


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Paul Benavides
Business writer / dreamer
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Web Line,
I feel your pain ... I never cared to use a beta web browser to check my work. Its a waste of time! It is much easier to create a secondary CSS file that addresses all the Bugs in IE rather than trying to have the page render correctly.

One of the Biggest IE Bugs that I hate is the 3 pixel job to the right, and once in a while I forget and code specifically for Mozilla and all other browsers...

Weblines = I`m pretty sure those aren`t the only Bugs you will find.. another bug that I hate is the way IE over-rides the "!important" command .... 



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Edgar Monroy
Web Developer / Owner / Consultant
When starting your own business the need to "know-how" is greater than money!
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BETA Stands for YOU "BETTA" Have patience with Microsoft.... I can`t believe the whole world is going in one direction and MS still wants to rule.... They need to get off their ego and learn how to play ball....
Google Chrome is more advanced than IE and they`ve been in the industry for years....



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Edgar Monroy
Web Developer / Owner / Consultant
When starting your own business the need to "know-how" is greater than money!
http://www.nuevolution.net

We can follow the Internet Explorer (IE) process as a microcosm of the overall economic process. Microsoft (MS) is a "big corporation," with Mozilla and Google as competition.

For a long time, MS had little competition, mostly because they were first to the market with a historical innovation everyone wanted. They took almost all the market share, leaving Apple a tiny percentage.

As with any free-market environment, competition developed. Netscape changed the foundation of technology and opened up a new "world," the Web. What was Microsoft`s response?

First they tried to drive Netscape into bankruptcy. At that moment, the world could have gone in various different directions. Also at that moment, the government and judicial system came into play.

We`ve all moved in a direction toward government regulation over free markets. Microsoft was able to interfere with the open markets to an extent, using the judicial system.

I would expect Microsoft to now file for bailout money at some point. We likely could see the government interfere yet again with both FireFox and Chrome, not to mention Safari.

Whenever the government steps in to control competition, the result is a disaster. The worse product survives and the better products are hobbled. Everyone loses. Artificial support for unhealthy situations promote those unhealthy conditions.

We, as a society, will no sooner "allow" IE to collapse than we`ll "allow" the automotive industry or any other industry that`s "too big to fail" go out of business.

Oddly enough, we also see in a growing number of school systems that teachers must be made to teach the theory of natural selection and creationism, both at the same time. IE8 would be like "Bill Gates spoke the word, and the word was Internet Explorer."

Firefox and the other browsers would be Darwinian evolution. Unfortunately, society is being prevented from applying the natural selection of the free market. We saw this prior to the Dark Ages, back during medieval times, when the Church took control of Europe.

In modern times, we`re looking at the Church of Government Regulation. Interference with free markets is based on empty faith that "somehow" the nondescript "government" knows best how to make everyone`s life better. Substitute "equal" for "better," and you have modern-day socialism.