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Sep 26, 2006 3:27 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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There are millions of websites.  The search engines favor some over time and other websites have money to play search engine games as search engines change their ranking formula.

My original Fastpitch website was ranked highly in many search engines before PPC programs arose.  Now other websites are ranked higher.  So, I said to hell with the search engines.

I decided instead to add PPC to as many topics as possible.  I bought some article sites and I`ve added, and continue to add, other self-created article sites.

Now for the hard part.  How do I get traffic that is really interested in reading website articles?

I need to find a marketing guru that does not need to rely upon search engines.  How do we build a network of interested online readers?  http://www.aviongoo.com/shopping_mall/ could pull in $25,000 a day if the proper mix of interested readers could be assembled.

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Sep 29, 2006 5:58 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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First, I would really challenge the idea of saying to hell with search engines, most incoming traffic is through search engines and that is unlikely to change. Search Engine Optimization (SEO) is a critical skill to master and will probably have the greatest benefit to building traffic for your site.

Second, as obvious as it might be I would say the way to get traffic that is really interested in reading articles is to have compelling content. Some of the most popular destinations are search engines and myspace. For the content driven destinations it is fresh, compelling content that keeps the users coming.

Just looking at the link you posted I, unfortunately, didn`t click past the first page because it wasn`t at all clear why I would want to. Readers will come to your site if they can trust it as a network of very relevant answers to their questions or if they can trust that the links you provide are top notch. Some successful examples are sites like ask.yahoo.com and other Q&A sites.

I would suggest putting some previews of the most popular articles throughout your landing page, also use rss (using feedburner is nice because they track feed statistics for free), in addition, use Google`s sitemap resources so you can understand how a robot sees your site, also sign up for Google analytics (if you haven`t already) so you can learn best practices for analyzing your sites purpose and goals (see http://www.google.com/analytics/conversionuniversity.html for some really great information).

magnets

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Oct 01, 2006 6:33 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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You said, "Just looking at the link you posted I, unfortunately, didn`t click past the first page because it wasn`t at all clear why I would want to. "

That`s exactly how I feel when I visit MySpace and more and more as I view search engine results.  It used to be the case that the top Google search results were where I wanted to go.  Now the top Google result is rarely where I want to go.  Most often it is a list of some sites similar to http://www.aviongoo.com/shopping_mall/ which is why I created http://www.aviongoo.com/shopping_mall/ in the first place.  I don`t really like the http://www.aviongoo.com/shopping_mall/ web page, I just figure that eventually Google might list some of the linked pages found there because so many similar results rank highly on Google as results.

As far as me saying "to hell with the search engines", since I can not control them and the folks selling SEO scams can not control them - the only real way to get listed high is to pay Google for AdWords.  Therefore, I want to say to hell with search engines by figuring out a way I don`t need them.  If at some point Google indexes my pages great!  But I can`t wish and hope that that is going to happen.

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In summary, the MySpace home page is introducing an album, a movie and a festival - none of which are of any interest to me.  Other than that, it`s got a bunch of links elsewhere on the website.

The key for MySpace is providing a home page for people that have no idea they are building and maintaining their own home page.  That`s why they get return visitors.  Take that away and they have nothing.

 

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Oct 01, 2006 6:46 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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P.S. And, yes, I have used XML, RSS, Google sitemap, robot.txt, AdWords, AdSense, Google analytics, and I used to use every new technique that was introduced.  I still use them and many more.

However, only one thing is important and that is building traffic.  The more links I get out for http://www.fastpitchcentral.com, http://www.cellbath.com, http://www.aviongoo.com, http://www.aviongoo.com/shopping_mall/, http://www.solarhigh.com, http://www.fairtaxu.com, and many other websites the better.  So far that has been the only effective way I have built traffic.  For some of my smaller websites that have few links and little activity - I still occasionally see that someone has visited and exposed the advertising.

 

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Oct 01, 2006 7:07 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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About getting traffic.

I have had well over 6,000,000 visitors to my web pages in the past two years.

I do not really care where they come from it is the volume I want. Why,  because if you have volume and the cost is low you will make sales and money.

For some ideas how to get traffic visit my Help To Succeed page.

http://www.helptosucceed.love-au.com/

 

 

 



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Oct 01, 2006 8:14 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Big topic.  I can only comment on how I got our site to 1 million-plus page views a year.

We sell stuff.  Ever item page is unique, built by hand, with each one optimized to capture one, specific search phrase.  One page / item might be "custom cowboy buckle" and another might be "custom cowboy belt buckle".  There are many excellent articles on building pages to achieve great organic (free) search results at www.seochat.com.

It`s a lot of work to build a big shopping website by hand but it`s proven most effective for us.  We`ve put plenty o` money into paid placement like Google AdWords and others.  For us, it`s money down the toilet.  This might have something to do with our specific audience or it might have to do with our very narrow key-phrase targeting. 

Good luck!


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Oct 09, 2006 8:32 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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We`ve put plenty o` money into paid placement like Google AdWords and others.  For us, it`s money down the toilet.  This might have something to do with our specific audience or it might have to do with our very narrow key-phrase targeting. 

It also might have to do with 1) your competition clicking your links to check your prices or drive up your costs or 2) click fraud by people who don`t care about your products but needed to fund their blogs.... 

I believe that Google will take a big hit over the next year or so because their search relevance to the average user has been sold to advertisers and the relevance to advertisers has suffered due to click fraud.

I`m not predicting googles doom, they will chug along just like microsoft does, but a niche has been opened to a competitor who can solve these problems.....



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Oct 10, 2006 5:16 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Mike,

FYI, I tried checking out your website this a.m. but it was down.


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Oct 10, 2006 4:02 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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How to Build Traffic?

Do not do following:

1. Do not: submit your site to free-search engine because you will receive 100s of spam!

2. Do not believe seo company if they say: we will submit your site to 1000s search engines since Google, msn, aol, yahoo are 95% of market.
 
for startups I advise:
 
1. study your meta tags well, select your website contents carefully.
 
2. try traffic blazer for 1 year it helps setting up your site  https://www.securepaynet.net/gdshop/traffic_blazer/landing.a sp?prog_id=domainsign&ci=1787&se=%2b&login=& target=secure_transfer.asp
 
also you can try https://adwords.google.com/select/Login and even better when you have the resource and can afford advertising do advertise where your customers are e.g. we Kyliptix advertise at magazine talk about Business Automation & CRM...
 
Remember: Traffic will build itself if you work hard !!!
 
Nothing can succeed without hard work..!!
 
Sincerely
 
Anthony
 



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Oct 15, 2006 2:32 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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There is a a lot of confusion about search engine optimization (SEO). Some people seem to believe that SEO is nothing more than tricking search engines into giving a high ranking for a particular site. Others think that search engine optimization is so complex that they could not possibly understand it. Neither of these views are true. Search engine optimization is best defined as the art and science of building web pages that are based on market research and build search engine friendly.
Find a free SEO beginners guide here.
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