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judsonvoss1

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Feb 19, 2007 6:43 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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We are working on a few projects that we will need startup funding for in the next couple of months.  One of them is a service company and its premise is fairly basic.  Another project is a first to market service and would be by far the first of it`s kind.  Some of the people I would like to approach for funding could also be competitors if they came up with the same idea.  Any suggestions on how to cover my assets?  I have NDA`s available.  The intellectual property rights attorney I spoke with said that while the idea is a viable solution it would be tough to defend in court.  My conncern is that if I present the idea and have NDA`s signed but the other company still proceeds by the time we fight it out in court it will be too late to salvage the project.
 
Thanks for your input.


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Steve

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Feb 19, 2007 9:08 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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I highly recommend that you read Guy Kawasaki`s The Art of the Start.

He specifically addresses the topic of investors and NDAs.


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judsonvoss1

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Feb 19, 2007 9:16 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Thanks Steve,
 
I just put it on hold at the library and will take a look this evening.


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patentandtrademark

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Feb 19, 2007 9:56 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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NDA`s can be very tough to enforce if you don`t obtain the appropriate type of protections [e.g. patent or trademark].

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James Lindon, Ph.D. Patent Attorney
Lindon & Lindon, LLC
Cleveland, Ohio
Patents, Trademarks, Copyrights, Pharmacy Law, Litigation
[this is not legal advice - provided for discussion only]
Intellectual Property for the Individual and Small Business: Identify, Protect, Enforce, Defend.
"Fools rush in where angels fear to tread."
http://www.LindonLaw.com
Steve

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Feb 19, 2007 9:58 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Sounds like you have a great niche. I will definitely check out your real estate podcast. I`ll need some place to invest my cookie profits.


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robertj

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Feb 19, 2007 11:04 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Yours is a situation faced by many of our clients. While every situation is somewhat different and requires a specific strategy- here are some general thoughts:

 

While it is true that NDA’s can be expensive and time consuming to enforce and many professional investors won’t sign them, I believe they are a useful tool when applied at the right time in the proper way.

 

It is also true that ultimately you have to disclose all information pertinent to their investment decision. We advise our clients to make the “full disclosure” only after you have confirmed that they have real interest in the project.

 

Also, keep in mind that “execution” is the big difference between an idea and a profitable business. If you are in a strong position to execute – you make it “easier” for the other party to invest in you rather than try to do it themselves.

 

Hope this helps. If you wish to discuss your specific situation, contact me privately.

 

Robert Johnson



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katt33

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Feb 19, 2007 9:43 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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The direct tv firm that wrote my plan, are presenting it to investors, producing my infomercials etc... have told me that as a start up, at the executive summary stage forget NDA`s.  That will come in for all parties involved only when there are offers on the table, prior to the full plan being disclosed.  What they will do is have the investors sign the plan on the bottom that states it can not be used, as it is the exclusive property of that firm and myself.  If violated, that firm will go after the investors, but these are also investors they have worked with for years.  I tried getting NDA`s signed myself from potential investors, no dice.  Unless there is a strong back up for you to be tough negotiators at the start, it is hard to get investors to sign anything.  For them to invest, they have to see the full plan, with all the ideas, potential etc...  This is my experience.
patentandtrademark

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Feb 20, 2007 9:34 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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I would be very interested to hear from anybody that ever actually tried to enforce an NDA.  What they did, what happened as an outcome, etc...  It`s important to keep in mind that ideas, in and of themselves, are WORTHLESS. 

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James Lindon, Ph.D. Patent Attorney
Lindon & Lindon, LLC
Cleveland, Ohio
Patents, Trademarks, Copyrights, Pharmacy Law, Litigation
[this is not legal advice - provided for discussion only]
Intellectual Property for the Individual and Small Business: Identify, Protect, Enforce, Defend.
"Fools rush in where angels fear to tread."
http://www.LindonLaw.com
robertj

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Feb 20, 2007 12:10 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Katt

Your messages says:  What they will do is have the investors sign the plan on the bottom that states it can not be used, as it is the exclusive property of that firm and myself

Does that mean that Firm owns the plan along with you? Could present a challenge in the future?



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Home of the Scalable Business Plan and QuikStart Capital Programs
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bert

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Feb 20, 2007 12:14 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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I am not an attorney and I have limited formal training in business law but I agree from experience that NDA`s are very hard to enforce, if not impossible and/or financially prohibiting.  We use them a lot anyway.  If done correctly, they are more of an indication of intent between two or more parties who wish to do business together, hopefully for mutual gain.  If you cannot agree to the terms of an NDA, you have a problem and you should not proceed.  Nothing replaces knowing who you are giving the information or ideas to and what the risks are by doing so.  The NDA’s makes you think about the entire process if they are done correctly.  Since it is a legal document, it should be reviewed by an attorney before signing.  “Standard” forms for NDA’s are generally worth less as they skip the real value in NDA’s, the process.

The best advice here is to read the book that Steve mentioned.  It is worth purchasing...

 



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Bert at Harvey Software, Inc.
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