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knscorp

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Nov 09, 2008 2:42 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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I hope this works for you.. Keep in mind Cali Corps are expensive.




Hey nuevolution
Could you please elaborate on that? Do you mean the initial incorporation processes are expensive or the relocation or in general, corporate expenses like the annual charges that we will have to pay if we are incorporated in california?
gregmetro

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Nov 12, 2008 7:45 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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well California does have an $800 annual franchise tax they impose yearly. Here is an article I just read on the site I suggested earlier http://www.myllc.com/which-state-to-form-llc.aspx on what state to file out of. I would def talk to a CPA or an incorporation service company to see what they suggest.
gregmetro

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Nov 12, 2008 7:48 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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If a corporation is formed in one state, and the business wishes to move to another state how is this done? Can a corporation move or does the first corporation have to be dissolved and a new corporation formed in the new state?
 
back to the origional question there are 2 way you can do this. you can either dissolve and refile in your new state or do the following process; Foreign qualify your corporation in your new state, then domesicate in the new state. Once domesticated in the New state you withdraw in the old state. so the new state becomes your home state. not all states allow this.
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Steve/CollegeCoach,
 
Looks like I`m coming in on this conversation a little bit late ;-)
 
You actually have not two, but three options - and the third thus-far unmentioned option I think might be the best for both of you... (although without knowing your specific situation, it is impossible to give you my specific thoughts). It appears from your profiles that Steve, you make and sell cookies (manufacturing) and CollegeCoach, you do consulting, so we`ll go with that ;-)
 
You can...
1. Dissolve your existing entity and form a new on in your new state.
2. Foreign qualify your existing entity in your new state.
3. REDOMICILE your existing entity in your new state.
The problem with #1 is that you would lose your original incorporation date. If you`ve had your business entity for even a year, it would be a shame to lose it date since banks, customers, and vendors considering giving you credit all generally look at this date. Think about it this way... would you rather loan money or do business with an entity who`s business was incorporated last month? or three years ago? (There is a reason that people put "Since 1995" or "25th Anniversary" in their advertisements! Not to mention that legally dissolving and then re-incorporating an entity - and potentially having to do taxes for both entities in the year you move is a lot of work and probably a lot of filing fees, accounting fees, etc. Not to mention there could be tax and other complications as well depending on where you are moving from or to. For example, if you did this at the end of the year moving into another state with an annual fee (which could be $500+), you might be liable for that minimum annual fee even though you were only there a month - and maybe didn`t even do business yet!
 
Option 2 only makes sense if you currently reside in a tax or business entity friendly state such as Nevada, Wyoming, Delaware, or even Florida. You could then foreign qualify your business in the new state you`re moving to - or depending on your business type, you may be able to just keep your existing business where it is, then form a new entity in your new state to do work for your currently existing entity in the "tax friendly" jurisdiction. This can get complex. It is 100% legal, but you must find a CPA that absolutely knows what they are doing! Also, for manufacturing and consulting, it is not apparent that this would make immediate sense.
 
3rd option, just redomicile your existing entity in your new state. If you are moving to Nevada or Wyoming - or somewhere it is actually desirable to incorporate, then all the better! (LOL) Basically, when you redomicile, everything stays the same except your business entity is just "moved" to your new state. There may be some extra fees involved in this initially, but it is worth it for the older incorporation date in most cases - after all, age on your business entity is very difficult (but not impossible) to purchase!
 
I 100% agree with BrianTheAccountant`s suggestion that you consider a tax-friendly jurisdiction for your entity IF POSSIBLE. Note that no matter where you are incorporated, the general rule is that if you have employees or assets in a state, you must be either foreign qualified to do business in that state, or incorporated there.
 
For a consultant such as CollegeCoach, if she is the only consultant in her business, and is doing all of her consulting in California, it would be a very interesting exercise to attempt to convince the California State Tax authority that its all your Nevada LLC ;-). I would not suggest you go there.
 
For Steve, I assume he`s doing all of his cookie manufacturing himself now, but in the future once he`s shipping tons of cookies every month, using the same example of California, it might make a lot of sense to move the manufacturing and shipping operations to another tax-friendly state. He could then consult for that seperate cookie manufacturing company and send whatever % of profits he likes to be taxed in his home state using a seperate consulting company. (Again, note that this exercise is not for the neophyte, so you should get help setting up a strategy like this!).
 
Good luck! (and send me some cookies!)


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Jennifer Reuting
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Jan 12, 2009 4:11 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Hi Emily80,
 
A virtual office company such as Intelligent Office is fine for your principal office, however a virtual office may be cost prohibitive (generally $100+ a month! - and that`s on the cheap side).

Also, note that there is a HUGE difference between a Virtual Office and a Registered Agent - they are completely different things! In most cases, I can`t imagine that you would really want a virtual office company attempting to act as a Registered Agent for your business entity anyway - kind of like asking your babysitter do minor surgery on the kids while you`re at a movie... sure it could work, but probably not the best idea. ;-)

Most Registered Agents I know of will not let you use their address as your principal office address. There are exceptions, however I don`t believe the Registered Agent that Nuevolution suggested provides virtual office services or mail forwarding. However, there are companies that specialize in this.

Also note that you can find Registered Agent Services for much cheaper than the company Nuevolution suggested for $215 including (my company) MyLLC.com where you can get it for only $99!

While on the subject of registered agents, note that there are a number of other companies that can provide this for you but whatever you do, DO NOT ACT AS YOUR OWN REGISTERED AGENT! I am constantly telling (usually new) business owners that this is one of the stupidest mistakes you can make, so don`t do it! I see where you said you acted as your own agent before so consider this a mistake you already made ;-) Use a service company such as InCorp, CT, or MyLLC.com (or there are many others). Alternatively, use your attorney - or your CPA firm, but again, DO NOT ACT AS YOUR OWN AGENT! (LOL) Using any of these options, you are probably going to be spending under $.50 a day which is I`m sure far less than you probably spend on auto insurance, but for MUCH MORE protection!
 
While I don`t know the size of your business, I`m assuming it is small and based on that if it were me, I would for the time being redomicile in California, or form a new entity there (and of course find an attorney or service company to act as your agent!)
 
Good luck in your venture!
 
 
 
 


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Jennifer Reuting
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Jan 20, 2009 12:45 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Hey Im in this boat too..

My company is incorporated in Cali. (SCorp since 2007) I lived there until recently deciding to move back home to Massachusetts. I would like to take advantage of Nevada for lack of real office or house in Cali and of course tax,  Most of my sales are eCommerce. (I sell anywhere in US). My business is registered to an apt. that will no longer be available next month.   Should I get a small office and keep registration as is. (would help me with my drivers license too as added bonus) or should I seek option 3 and try to get a file in Nevada with no tax?.. any suggestions would be appreciated?
matherwis

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Apr 10, 2009 9:27 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Call a lawyer, rules are different in every state. You can`t be too sure you are doing the right thing.





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gregmetro

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Hey I`m in this boat too..

My company is incorporated in Cali. (SCorp since 2007) I lived there until recently deciding to move back home to Massachusetts. I would like to take advantage of Nevada for lack of real office or house in Cali and of course tax,  Most of my sales are eCommerce. (I sell anywhere in US). My business is registered to an apt. that will no longer be available next month.   Should I get a small office and keep registration as is. (would help me with my drivers license too as added bonus) or should I seek option 3 and try to get a file in Nevada with no tax?.. any suggestions would be appreciated?

 
Hello Grab,
 
get  your LLC out of CA.you can probably domesticate it in MA and then dissolve it in CA. or you can incorporate out of tax haven states like Nevada or Wyoming, if your business is really virtual. Here is a link to an article in website magazine regarding web companies and tax havens website magazine article.
 
Keep in mind that as soon as you issue yourself payroll, your corporation or LLC will need to register to transact business in your state — which means it will have to pay taxes from all income derived in that state. Therefore, you should try to take money out of your company in the form of loans and dividends if you do decide to file out of Nevada or Wyoming.
 
 
 
LeannM

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Jennifer,
Could you please elaborate a little on why one should not act as their own Registered Agent?  I am in the process of moving my company to PA....Everyone kept telling me to form my LLC in the state of Delaware, so I did.  Now, I realize (just a couple months later) that is not the best thing to do.  I live in PA and it appears I can avoid a lot of fees by forming my LLC here.  Now, I`m trying to figure out the best (and least expensive) way to do that.  Since I just formed the company, I have not done any business yet, so the only sunk costs are the fees I paid to be in DE.  I actually have two companies that I will be moving back to PA -- one for my consulting and the other for an online company I am putting together. 

I`m open to advice on whether to dissolve both and then reform in PA, or to redomicile.  Thanks for all the great help!

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