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Joel

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Jan 10, 2007 12:23 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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This is certainly a tough & challenging situation to find yourself in. It`s so important to choose our business partners wisely and with great caution. I wrote a blog this past summer that deals with partner selection and included a link in it to another similar forum topic. These may be helpful for those who are in the partner selection process.
krishix

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Jan 11, 2007 4:12 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Would it be possible to re write the operating agreement and "re-assign" duties.

You would be the day to day person, with all operations and employee headaches etc., and he could be a "consultant", make his trinkets and you "buy" them to shut him up?

I would also contact all vendors and bankers to let them know that they are to deal with you.  If you want to be vague in the reasoning, just say that there has been a re alignment and you are now the contact for any reason.  Give them your cell phone number if need be.

As for the customers who he is upsetting, put the company policies that were agreed upon in the beginning up in a frame on the wall.  That way, he can`t undermine you on that.

For the employee who came to you- Kudos.  That was a tough call on his part. Your partner is doing something dirty and yucky.  Not just with the money, but making the employee feel sick and queasy too.  Could the employee not pay the partner what`s the worst that could happen?  Is there a way to prove to the partner how much money wasn`t made?  If it was made and the employee does the kickback, make sure that the employee asks the partner for his pertinent information on a W-9 to be able to issue a 1099 at the end of the year for the IRS` records. (before any money is paid out)

Good luck.  Call an attorney.  Call the banks.  Call the vendors.  Happy hour at 5!

 

 

Magonaga

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Jan 11, 2007 4:36 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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There is one thing you must do, and you must do it immediately.

RUN, do not walk, RUN to an attorney IMMEDIATELY for help in removing this "partner" from your business as quickly and permanently as possible.

I would also strongly recommend you develop a specific plan to manage the public and commercial fallout from this. You will be tainted with your customers from allowing him to get this far if you do not actively prepare a disaster recovery plan. Your attorney may be able to either help with this, or direct you to a PR firm who can help you turn this into a demonstration of proactive integrity, rather than a reactive response to something you should have nipped in the bud long ago.

Especially if your business is taking off, you need to slam down hard on this risk without any delay, hesitation or compassion for your ex-partner.



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Robert H. Teesdale, President Magonaga Industries, Inc. www.magonaga.com
BjsEsq

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Jan 11, 2007 4:36 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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What does your operating agreement say?  If it doesn`t say anything about what happens when one party wants out of the business, then whoever drafted the agreement missed a  HUGE issue.  This is probably the most common problem that I see as an attorney working with small businesses.  The players jumped in to the business with great expectations that nothing would ever go wrong & now  the situation is changed.  Exit strategies are one of the most important parts of an operating agreement because no one knows what life holds for us.  One player can want out because they`ve had a family crisis-its a no blame situation, but there`s no established mechanism.

Unfortunately, the lack of an exit strategy is so common that even some law firms don`t have exit strategies.  When I teach at Nevada MicroEnterprise Initiative, I tell a story about a law firm that didn`t have exit strategies in place so both sides ended up in court with restraining orders against the other.  The second excuse that people use for not having an exit strategy is that they couldn`t afford it.  It is cheaper to draft it into the operating agreement than to litigate the issue.

You need to see your lawyer (my advice is always that a lawyer that you can call anytime should be part of your team) and you need to see them yesterday.  You need to get this resolved immediately because it isn`t going to get better.  You also need to be sure that you have copies of all important documents and computer files offsite because if this person is as destructive as you claim, once you break the news that you don`t want to be in business anymore with him, he may retailiate.  Quietly and calmly gather all the data that you will need for the lawyer (we usually want every scrap of paper) and for the accountant.  Meet with the lawyer.  Don`t tell anyone anything who doesn`t have privilege (this means speak only to your spouse and your attorney).

The honest employee may be trying to ride two horses.  Don`t trust him.  Use him as a source of information, but don`t provide information to him that can be carried back to the partner.

In addition, next time you take on a partner/co-owner, if you make them a 50% owner, have a 3rd person with voting rights to be a tie breaker when you are making substantial decisions for the business (such as dissolution, removing a partner etc). 

This rogue co-owner may have violated some of his fiduciary responsibilities to the entity; you want to speak to your lawyer to see how your local courts treat that.

Good luck.

Beverly Salhanick, Esq.


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Beverly Salhanick, Esq.
King

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Jan 11, 2007 5:06 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Steelman,

As I read your story I felt like you were telling my own story. I`ve had several businesses all successful and several that were not. The ones that were not all had partners. I had one partner just like yours - he might even be the same guy!!!

My advise is RUN from him as fast as possible as quickly as possible. Having a 50/50 partner is worse than a bad marriage. My lawyew told me to pick my next partner more carefully than a wife.

You have to get a divorce. Catch him with his hand in the cookie jar. Set it and catch him. Then give him your alternatives. You buy me for X or I will buy you for X. Either way we are done. If that does not work you will disolve the company. You must be serious and be willing to chaulk it up as experience and foillow through.

The very best advise is get a lawyer and perhaps they can be the mediator for this divorce. Then never ever again have partner.

 

Good luck

Paul

 

nterprizer

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Jan 11, 2007 5:29 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Steelman,

I sympathize with you in what you are going thru.  It is difficult to disassociate yourself with your dream I`m sure.  However It is my halucination that you should allow common sense to prevail. 

I am sensing that you are not a confrontational type, and your partner is taking advantage of that.  From what you describe your partner seems to be blatantly deliberately trying to destroy your company.  Envy is a terrible emotion, and your partner may have a bad case since in his eyes he had nothing to contribute. 

I realize you have put two years of your blood, sweat, and tears into this however to avoid a costly battle, I would suggest you notify your partner, and your customers that you will be taking a leave from the business, and start over.  Once you get your ducks in a row dissolve your present company 50/50 if there is anything left and continue your new venture on your own.

You will find that if you have your customers respect, they will follow you.

May you be blessed with a solution to your problem, and much properity.

Helen

DraconPern

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Jan 11, 2007 6:08 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Hum... with all these horror stories, it`s making me think twice about getting a partner on board for my business.  So any advice on what I can do from the legal/contract aspect in preventing these types of problem from happening in the first place?  Do a C corp? S corp?  become a lawyer? :D

SteelMan

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Jan 11, 2007 7:11 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Beverly,

I hate to say this since LegalZoom is a sponsor of this very web site, but they crafted our operating agreement, and it is missing a LOT of stuff that is hurting us now in resolving this, including any exit strategy.  To LegalZoom`s defense, they do say you should consult an attorney to review the documents they give you.

What does your operating agreement say?  If it doesn`t say anything about what happens when one party wants out of the business, then whoever drafted the agreement missed a  HUGE issue.  This is probably the most common problem that I see as an attorney working with small businesses.  The players jumped in to the business with great expectations that nothing would ever go wrong & now  the situation is changed.  Exit strategies are one of the most important parts of an operating agreement because no one knows what life holds for us.  One player can want out because they`ve had a family crisis-its a no blame situation, but there`s no established mechanism.

Unfortunately, the lack of an exit strategy is so common that even some law firms don`t have exit strategies.  When I teach at Nevada MicroEnterprise Initiative, I tell a story about a law firm that didn`t have exit strategies in place so both sides ended up in court with restraining orders against the other.  The second excuse that people use for not having an exit strategy is that they couldn`t afford it.  It is cheaper to draft it into the operating agreement than to litigate the issue.

You need to see your lawyer (my advice is always that a lawyer that you can call anytime should be part of your team) and you need to see them yesterday.  You need to get this resolved immediately because it isn`t going to get better.  You also need to be sure that you have copies of all important documents and computer files offsite because if this person is as destructive as you claim, once you break the news that you don`t want to be in business anymore with him, he may retailiate.  Quietly and calmly gather all the data that you will need for the lawyer (we usually want every scrap of paper) and for the accountant.  Meet with the lawyer.  Don`t tell anyone anything who doesn`t have privilege (this means speak only to your spouse and your attorney).

The honest employee may be trying to ride two horses.  Don`t trust him.  Use him as a source of information, but don`t provide information to him that can be carried back to the partner.

In addition, next time you take on a partner/co-owner, if you make them a 50% owner, have a 3rd person with voting rights to be a tie breaker when you are making substantial decisions for the business (such as dissolution, removing a partner etc). 

This rogue co-owner may have violated some of his fiduciary responsibilities to the entity; you want to speak to your lawyer to see how your local courts treat that.

Good luck.

Beverly Salhanick, Esq.
BrandAlchemy

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Jan 11, 2007 7:57 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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This is obviously not a good situation and many of us have been here before.
I won`t repeat what has already been said, but:
* It is irrelevant that you came up with the original idea. You stressed that point several times. Once you`re 50/50 partners, that fact becomes mute.
* Him pressuring your employee, who is doing work off the clock or otherwise not within your company`s financials, is not embezzlement. Sorry. It may be poor taste, creepy, etc., but if the employee is doing work off the books, your partner hasn`t committed a crime at all. Extortion, maybe, but that`s going to be a tough one to prove, and not by you - by a District Attorney. My advice? No more off-the-books work for anyone. All company machinery, etc. is for company use only. Why would you invest in all that equipment and let it depreciate partly for employee side jobs? Any and all work that comes into your shop should be company work. The company pays for the building, property taxes, signage, worker`s comp., etc., etc.
* People behave they way they behave for a reason. Maybe he is miserable and is trying to destroy things just to get out. Make it easy for him to leave, but remember, he has 100% as much right to the business as you do. You may be in the right, but he`s in the LLC, and that`s all that matters now.
* If you want to keep his emotions out if this, keep yours out as well. You are equal partners whether you like it or not until this is resolved, and he has as much right to the $3 million in revenue as you do.

I have read where several people have told you to sneak off and start a new company, keep new books, contact all the clients, etc. This is just as bad as what you allege your partner is doing. You have no right to discourage a client from dealing with your equal partner, unless you guys work out some arrangement where you handle the clients and he handles the production.  Two wrongs don`t make a right.
 
You have to get to the real issue here. I have no idea what it is, but I suspect you do. The facts must be dealt with - not him, not you - the facts. This isn;t like a marriage where one person can leave. Well, you can, but I can guarantee you that he won`t.

If neither of you put up money to start this, and the idea was all you, then why did you make him an equal partner? I don`t mean to be harsh, but there are two sides to every story. Instead of finding your own attorney, doesn`t your LLC agreement mention anything about mediation? Even if it doesn`t, you can take this to Superior Court (too much money involved for Small Claims) and request arbitration.

Finally, LegalZoom prepared my LLC, and I couldn`t be happier with their work.  They are not a substitute for legal advice, and you definately need some in this situation. Good luck.
sddreamweavers

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Jan 12, 2007 5:48 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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But here`s the kicker:  One of our part-time employees arranged some side work through two company customer contacts...which is fine.  The side work is unrelated to our company`s direct product offering but he will use idle company equipment to produce the work, and he will perform the work on his own time.   No problem...this is completely allowed.

I have just learned that my business partner told the employee that the employee will have to pay half of the gross side job money to him (my partner) personally as a "consulting fee".  He specifically stated to the employee that they will need to keep the side work payment a secret from me.  Luckily, the employee is very honest and loyal to the company and came to me about it confidentially.

If my partner told the employee that half of the job would need to be paid to the company in trade for using the company equipment, that would be one thing (even though our policy is to let employees use idle company equipment during their off time as they see fit)...but to pressure the employee for a secret personal payoff gain seems very dishonest to me.  The numbers we are talking about are into the thousands of dollars.

I could be wrong but isn`t this extortion?

As other people have said RUN to a lawyer.

 



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