Find us elsewhere
Join Now Member Login

Hire Youngsters or Old Folks?

 
New Topic
Post Reply
Follow Topic
Page of 2 Next »
  • Author
  • Message
 
judsonvoss1

posts: 13

Feb 26, 2007 8:51 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
Points: 0   Vote
Before I get sued I am just kidding about the terminology...
 
What are your opinions about the type of experience to hire for a startup.  One arguement would be bring in someone with a lot of experience in the areas I am not experienced.  The other as I see it is hire someone that is green experience wise just out of school who has the enthusiasm to make it happen.
 
Any thoughts?
 


-------------------------

Judson Voss Podcast Production and Promotion www.roxxproduction.com Got a Podcast Question? Feel free to email me. visit our podcast on real estate investing www.getrealrei.com
SunnyDays

posts: 15

Feb 26, 2007 10:56 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
Points: 0   Vote

I would always prefer to hire someone who has the experience - especially in areas I am not very advanced in . It could be someone who you will take on only as part time , a work at home Mom for example with just the experience you need or someone already retired on an hourly base.

Just my 2 cents



-------------------------

Silvia
www.justaphonecallaway.com
BrandAlchemy

posts: 456

Feb 26, 2007 11:35 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
Points: 0   Vote
Thanks for the `don`t sue me` line. I was just about to line up some EEOC attorneys...

It obviously depends on the position and your firm, but there is a dichotomy (I love using big words!) between deep experience/ingrained bad habits and newly-graduated no experience/wide open to learning the right way the first time.

There`s no right answer, but I would opt for teachable, flexible, high energy, and passionate over seasoned, unless we`re talking about air traffic controllers here.

Again, it depends on your firm and what you do.Since podcasting is all of three years in maturity (maybe), I would think that unless we`re talking about studio production skills, anyone could get up to speed as long as they are willing.

For me, I ignore age as much as I ignore ethnic background, religion, or anything else. Good advice, that, especially when trying to not get sued by the EEOC...
judsonvoss1

posts: 13

Feb 26, 2007 12:05 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
Points: 0   Vote
Greg,
 
Thanks, and for me to age doesn`t matter I was more interested in the experience level.  I think that is a very good point about the podcasting being so new.  Some parts of what we do is related to old media type business models so sometimes it seems like it would be good to have someone on my side that is experienced in that arena.  Like Sunny Days said I guess I could hire them on a consultative basis as needed.


-------------------------

Judson Voss Podcast Production and Promotion www.roxxproduction.com Got a Podcast Question? Feel free to email me. visit our podcast on real estate investing www.getrealrei.com
BrandAlchemy

posts: 456

Feb 26, 2007 12:17 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
Points: 0   Vote
Judson,

Thanks. Great podcasts seem to have one thing in common: high level studio production. If you have that, I would think that a board-op from a radio station, or a studio engineer, would be good if you need that kind of a skill set. Fi you have a broadcasting school in your area, I might ask around there.

If it`s sales, marketing, or PR, I would think that any media background would work, even internet advertising.
ElidS

posts: 471

Feb 26, 2007 3:19 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
Points: 0   Vote
Enthusiasm and a willingness to learn is better if you have the knowledge, however, if you know that you don`t know hire somebody that does.
CampSteve

posts: 1216

Feb 26, 2007 5:21 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
Points: 0   Vote
I recently read in the book, The Innovator`s Solution, about traits to look
for in hiring for entrepreneurial companies. The basics mentioned were a
caution about looking at experience, enthusiasm and other more
common employee traits. Instead, it said to focus on the prospective
hire`s problem solving capabilities, specifically finding creative solutions
and seeing how that fits in with your company`s practices. It was very
good sound advice and I suggest reading the book, or at least thumbing
through it at the bookstore for that section.
judsonvoss1

posts: 13

Feb 26, 2007 5:35 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
Points: 0   Vote
I like that line of thought.  Sometimes in a startup you don`t need someone that can just follow the set procedures because there are a limited number of procedures.  I can see where that trait would be very helpful.
 
Thanks Steve.


-------------------------

Judson Voss Podcast Production and Promotion www.roxxproduction.com Got a Podcast Question? Feel free to email me. visit our podcast on real estate investing www.getrealrei.com
CraigL

posts: 9051

Feb 26, 2007 7:40 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
Points: 0   Vote
Don`t make the mistake of believing that old folks are set in their ways! Often as not, they appear that way because they`ve actually tried 10,000 other ways and they all failed! :-D

I`m just now doing some work on a global research paper for high-end corporations about the imminent departure of the Baby Boomers. It`s a tremendous problem, but with all the resources of the reporting company, one thing comes to mind.

They divide the workforce into Baby Boomers, Gen X, and Gen Y. Each has been analyzed, with certain core principles coming to the fore. Gen Y people have no loyalty and want to be told what to do. Baby Boomers have long-term commitments, deeper understanding of things, and tend to work independently. They`re problem solvers.

Apropos the training issue, most Baby Boomers have a strong interest in learning new things, new technology, and new ways of doing things, IF.....there`s a comprehensible reason for the change.

However, Gen Y workers tend to be distracted, looking for instant learning much as they`ve grown up with instant messaging, instant sound bytes, and instant foods. They`ll learn anything...the problem is if they`ll remember what they`ve learned, or know how to apply it to similar but not exactly the same circumstances.

In my own analysis, and somewhat implied in the research, Baby Boomers don`t get along well with today`s corporate "young" executives because they want to know the why behind the work. The young executives expect simple obedience to mandates, with no questions asked. So the "old folks" appear contrary, obstreperous, and ornery. :-)
CraigL2007-2-26 19:43:10
Soldu2

posts: 33

Feb 26, 2007 8:51 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
Points: 0   Vote

Here is a story that I featured recently on one of our business websites. It is titled: The great divide. "How to motivate a multi generational work force"  

Enjoy! 

Companies are struggling with the challenges of managing a more diverse workforce

By Patti Fralix

RISMEDIA, November 30, 2006—Companies are struggling with the challenges of managing a more diverse workforce. These challenges often relate to mere variation in perspective and goals as a result of generational differences. These are further complicated because of the age differences between managers and employees. Businesses can’t assume that people of varying ages will understand each other or have the same perspective and goals. In order to be successful, managers need to understand and value the generational differences, perspectives, and goals of others.

Each generation has complained about those in younger age groups. So, the fact that there are differences in the generations is nothing new. What is new today is the magnitude of the differences. It is time to understand and value this diversity so that we can benefit from it. Today’s workplace requires that. To fail to do this can result in failure for everyone.

There are predominately three generations co-existing in today’s workplace:
Baby Boomers – born between 1946 and 1964
Generation X – born between 1965 and 1976
Generation Y (also referred to as Millenials or Echo Boomers) – born between 1977 and the present

The differences between the generations create many challenges in the workplace. These challenges can be negative or positive. It is the manager’s job to make sure that these challenges are turned into positives. Here are some of the most common differences between the generations and ways to make sure that each group’s talents are recognized, accepted and maximized.

Different work attitudes
One of the most common complaints Boomers are heard to make about Gen Xers and Gen Yers is that “they don’t have the same work ethic!” Well, they don’t, that is true. This does not mean that they are not hardworking. What it does mean is that they place a different value and priority on work. While many Boomers have a love/hate relationship with work, Boomers do work to work. Work is more of an end in and of itself. Not so for Gen Xers and Gen Yers. They work to be able to fulfill other, more important (to them), priorities. Although Gen Xers and Gen Yers are motivated by different things, both age groups need the following:

- Frequent communication, including being told the “why,” not just the “what” of projects and priorities.
- To be included, and not just in what affects them most directly.
- To have fun at work, with a capital “F!”

Additionally, to motivate Gen Xers:
Make sure you provide the flexibility needed for them to manage their other priorities, such as dependent children, aging parents, and even educational endeavors. This flexibility can be as simple as providing schedule changes to accommodate these needs. Understand that these are needs, not wants.

Provide many opportunities for collaboration and teamwork. This is the generation that “fuels their fire” through teamwork.

Provide recognition in ways that connect with what they value the most. Some value handwritten thank you notes for a job well done, while others are motivated by a tangible gift, such as flowers or gift certificates.

To motivate Gen Yers:
Provide Gen Yers flexibility in when and where work is done. Gen Yers resist what they see as rigid workday starting times. They do not understand why coming to work fifteen to thirty minutes late is viewed by Boomers as irresponsible behavior. Also, if you can provide technology that allows them to work at home one or two days a week, all the better!

Gen Yers are interested in change and challenge. They will leave a higher paying good job for the opportunity to experience something new. They do not see their careers as needing to be linear, and they are right. Remember, these are the workers who will have at least five different careers, not just jobs over their life span. Their tenure in a particular job is often no more than two to three years.

Do not interpret their rebellious nature as negative. Let them vent, do not take it personal, and by all means, avoid “writing them up” for such. This is the generation that will challenge and change much of what we need to change.

Now, how are Boomers motivated?
Often by position, power and prestige. Boomers are often traditionalists, and perks of the position matter. They want titles and authority commensurate with responsibility.

Allow Boomers to participate in associations and conventions that keep them professionally connected to their peers. Boomers are motivated by working together on professional projects in affiliation with others like them.

Compensation that is more long term, such as profit sharing and health care benefits including long term care.

Different Set of Commitments/Loyalties
Boomers have always been seen as loyal to their companies. They feel a sense of belonging and dedication based on their history. This is not so for the Gen Xers and Gen Yers. They are more focused on the present and future. They do not see a problem in going elsewhere when another/better opportunity comes along. This is often seen as disloyal to their current company, but this isn’t necessarily true. They can be very committed to their work, although not to a particular job. They will do what is required, but not because of a sense of belonging based on tenure or what the company has provided in the past, but because they find meaning in the work. They need to feel that they are making a difference in their work.

So, how can you motivate a workforce whose loyalty lies most within? The answer to this is simple, although the solutions are not always easy to provide. To motivate Gen X and Gen Y, directly connect the job to their interests, and make sure that they find meaning and fun (yes, fun!) in their work.

Providing fun in the workplace does not mean goofing off or wasting time. Examples include:

- Provide regular work group outings, such as sports, picnics and concerts. Be sure that the particular social outings are those that best relate to the culture and interests of the coworkers. Make sure these are optional; not all will be interested in these.

- Celebrate successes, both work related and individual successes. Throw a late afternoon party at a favorite watering hole when an important project is completed, or throw a party for no reason at all occasionally. Be more creative in these activities than just a monthly birthday celebration. When someone in the group has an important moment, such as school graduation, new baby or new house, celebrate with them. Vary the celebrations, so surprises can accentuate the fun. Again, make these optional, so that those who do not want or need these types of activities are not made to feel they are not a part of the group.

- How about closing the office unexpectedly an hour or two occasionally, and sending people home to play, to have their own fun?!

Try some of these ideas for managing different generations differently, and you may be able to avoid the revolving door syndrome that is very costly in advertising, recruiting, hiring, training, and then replacing your workforce. Consider this a part of “Talent Management.”

Each generation requires a different set of standards to motivate them at work. In order for a company to be truly successful, all co-existing generations in the workplace need to understand and value each other, even when their perspectives and goals are vastly different. Management plays a key role in how the different generations will interact together.

Instead of looking for a quick solution, spend some time getting to know the talent with whom you work, focusing on their perspectives and goals. Then, everyone will be in a better position to capitalize on the strengths of the differences, minimizing the challenges.

Patti Fralix, For more information, please contact her at pfralix@fralixgroup.com.

Soldu22007-2-26 20:53:58
Page of 2 Next »
Post Reply
 
.
Advertisement

Keep the Community Clean!

  • StartupNation forums should be used as a platform to learn, educate others, share stories, tips & tricks and to provide constructive feedback.
  • Please do not use the Forums for advertising & blatant self-promotion.
  • Please be respectful to other members and refrain from personal attacks and vulgar language.
  • StartupNation reserves the right to delete any message, reply, and/or member who violates our terms of use.
Read full terms of use
Advertisement
Advertisement
Advertisement
Advertisement