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DaleKing

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Jun 09, 2007 8:02 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Wow...well said, Netmom.

Well said, indeed.

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pkamm

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Jun 09, 2007 5:01 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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DKing, your`re back inspite of what you said...

Netmom,
Passion=emotion. If business folk are passionate about their venture, then they will be emotional about it too. They will likely have personal involvement with the site, the store, the products, the employees, etc.

As a matter of fact the ONLY emotion to bring to your business should be passion. Not the one that says you are mean because you didn`t say nice things about my site and I worked really, really hard on it. 



Hmmm... the only emotion should be passion, and none other? Perhaps you have a degree in Psychology and know more about the range of emotions and their nuances than I do, but I can`t agree with blanket statements like yours. I think emotions are complicated and diverse. And, I think emotions can be an important part of the inspirational and creative process in building a business. But again, I have always advocated for balance.





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Netmom

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Jun 09, 2007 8:17 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Netmom,
Passion=emotion. If business folk are passionate about their venture, then they will be emotional about it too. They will likely have personal involvement with the site, the store, the products, the employees, etc.

We aren`t talking about personal involvement. We are talking strictly about losing sight of the business you are so passionate about and focusing on being upset about the feedback on the website because it took a long time to design, like whether the message you are trying to convey to your customers matters less than that. Do you keep an employee that doesn`t remember to lock the door repeatedly and you lose inventory over and over?  Or one that can`t balance the register no matter how many times you teach them because they are really, really nice? Do you stay in a location that your business can`t sustain because you spent a whole lot of time painting the mural on the wall? I would hope not.

Hmmm... the only emotion should be passion, and none other? Perhaps you have a degree in Psychology and know more about the range of emotions and their nuances than I do, but I can`t agree with blanket statements like yours. I think emotions are complicated and diverse. And, I think emotions can be an important part of the inspirational and creative process in building a business. But again, I have always advocated for balance.

No degree in psychology just an entrepreneurship teacher and an Economic Development Director for many years.

Emotions being a part of the inspiration and creative process in building a business? Sure. Emotions because of a site design when you don`t sell design services? Not a good use of emotion and certainly seems to indicate there is more passion about the site than the business. The bottom line should be "does this site work?" in a forum about site critiques. Where is the emotional attachment in that? I would feel the same way if a person responded to a site critique request with "boy do I hate that product you are trying to sell..." an equally irrelevent reply and a poor use of emotion in a website critique forum. No matter what Pkamm, I love the hat.



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pkamm

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Jun 10, 2007 2:27 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Netmom, (AKA: entrepreneurship teacher and an Economic Development Director for many years),

Impressive title. Care to share with us where you held this title?


We aren`t talking about personal involvement. We are talking strictly about losing sight of the business you are so passionate about and focusing on being upset about the feedback on the website because it took a long time to design, like whether the message you are trying to convey to your customers matters less than that.


Well, no, actually we are talking about folks who have personal involvement in their business, and understanding why they may have emotions invested in their venture. And for this reason, in a forum where folks critique sites, it`s important to realize this and show some tact.

pkamm2007-6-10 2:53:50


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pkamm

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Jun 10, 2007 2:45 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Emotions being a part of the inspiration and creative process in building a business? Sure. Emotions because of a site design when you don`t sell design services? Not a good use of emotion and certainly seems to indicate there is more passion about the site than the business.


Inspite of your claimed credentials, I`m not convinced that you`re in a position to arbitrate good and poor uses of emotions. And when you dismiss the emotional response to sites criticisms so quickly, I`m not convinced that you recognize how important emotions can be in the business development process.

pkamm2007-6-10 2:50:0


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pkamm

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Jun 10, 2007 2:50 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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The bottom line should be "does this site work?" in a forum about site critiques.


Really? And by who`s standards is this bottom line defined? When you think about it, aren`t all our criticisms full of emotional responses themselves?
pkamm2007-6-10 2:51:28


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pkamm

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Jun 10, 2007 2:52 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Netmom,



I don`t like buttons that play a noise, sorry.



Sounds a bit like an emotional response, eh? The truth is, many of the site criticisms are emotional responses couched in language that appears to be reasoned, and backed by claims of "Director of this" and "teacher of that."

I say that we simply keep this in mind, and be a little more understanding of the fact that site design, marketing, and the passion that drives folks to create new ventures is not an exact science. Nobody has all the right answers in this realm. So if folks are a little sensitive about the criticisms here, it should be understood; not dismissed as folly.




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Jun 10, 2007 3:04 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Pkamm Wrote:  [Sounds a bit like an emotional response, eh? The truth is, many of the site criticisms are emotional responses couched in language that appears to be reasoned, and backed by claims of "Director of this" and "teacher of that."]

Hey PKamm, it would be great if you could make a list with links to the specific critiques that support your conclusions. I`d hate to put any stock into your conclusions unless you are prepared to fully support your statements with evidence. It`s that whole credentials thing again...
pkamm

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Jun 10, 2007 11:18 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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CookieMonster,

I think if you read the criticisms on this thread (especially the first two by nikole and DKing) you`ll find that they are largely opinions of personal preference and taste, which are born from an emotional response.


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Nuevolution

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Jun 10, 2007 2:18 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Pkamm,
I totally agree with you... I think the topic here was: hey guys... New site up and running. But it seems like to took a turn when NIKOLE brought up that "one shouldn`t get attached to a project" First of all I don`t think this is a project for TWC, I believe this is going to be his main bread and butter, which should and have to be treated differently. One thing is working for someone as a developer.And... another thing is working on your own business. Although to some extend I like to get a little emotional when I design a customers web site. As a designer developer you have to be inspired in order to create.

Inspiration is also an emotion, and although I am not a psychologist, I do have a BS in Business Admin, and a BS in Electronic Engineering... (with emphysis in programming)... so I can back it up...
But were not going to go there....and worry about who has what?
We are trying to figure out a statement" Do not get attached, to a project"! that is non-sense....

I am emotionally attached to my business... it`s my drive... But when it comes to making decisions... I have people that help me make the right decisions...

Nuevolution2007-6-10 14:20:20


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