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beautifulpetunia

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Jan 04, 2007 12:53 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Hello and happy 2007 to all of you great folks here under the SUN!

Your advice, help and "reality checks" have all been quite valuable.

In response to Pokerman, yes, I do agree that the overall number is not far fetched, but when you are talking about an intial phase that entails primarily just a member log-in and registration area, I felt that to be a bit steep.  Moving forward into the further development of project such as this, of course the workload warrants a reciprocal number.

In addtion, I can certainly see how a backlog of work might hinder the ability to particpate fully, as there is one extremely talented and clever designer here on SUN, TonerDesign who for me was quite a coveted asset, but is unfortunately truly backlogged (although that did not stop her from helping me each step of the way, so many many thanks to Pat)

Currently, I have received proposals from two outstanding SUN members:

SUN member: smoots, representing Totus Company and SUN member: musebay

Both have proved to be terrifc and talented, and quite ept at translating my "layman`s" terms into real, tangible website functions. Both have provided comprehensive proposals, and the team of Shaun Smoots and Nneka O`Reilly of Totus have provided an in-depth POC.

In response to those folks who feel that I might be "taking for granted" the hard work that goes into the preliminary aspect of developing a site, and the talent required to do so, please understand that I am in basically IN AWE of the complex understanding and abilities posessed by those who specialize in this arena.  HOWEVER, I am of the school of show and tell.  In my ten years (short? yes) of experience in the business world, I have been in many circumstances which required me to work day and night, simply to provide a presentation to a prospective client. Most importantly, I show and tell about ANY and All examples of my work in that related field to futher ensure my prospective client that I can, and have, done this, or something like it before.

So to propose that one might be so talented as to be "above" the standard of Proof of Concept, is to me, a sign of arrogance, and, unfortunaltey, as I have learned through my experience, generally represents a lack of "hunger" for innovation. And innovation is exactly what I need.

Pokerman

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Jan 04, 2007 3:34 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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In response to Pokerman, yes, I do agree that the overall number is not far fetched, but when you are talking about an intial phase that entails primarily just a member log-in and registration area, I felt that to be a bit steep.

See how important "requirements documentation" is!  Now that I know your initial requirement, one has something tangible with which to work and yes... $8,000 to $15,000 does seem a bit steep (you`d have to scrape me off the ceiling too).  I`m glad you have found people to help you in your project.  I will be interested in seeing how things turn out for you.

 



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beautifulpetunia

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Mar 20, 2007 1:26 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Hello folks!

I know you have all been waiting with baited breath to see what has come of my search for a developer on this project.

After working on the intial SOW with Totus Company, it seems that due to necesary integration with third party platforms, which in turn has altered the requirements by greater than 70%, the agreement was rescinded, mutually.

So now, back to sqaure one. So far, I have built my own site and registration, and I have the pieces and moving parts for the kit-n-kaboodle, now how to put them together?

Any takers? Please PM me if you are interested in the details.

In the meantime, I have posted the website I created for your unabashed critque, so please feel free to let me know what you think!

beautifulpetunia2007-3-20 14:26:56
TwilightPics

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Mar 23, 2007 10:22 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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 Option 2: speak with well qualified consultant that takes the time to understand your requirements, proposes some great solutions then proceeds to add up the costs associated with said solutions (I can smell the smoke coming off of the calculator) to arrive at an official number of between $8,000-15,000 for initial design, then up and up for expansion. I thank them politely for their time, and scrape myself off the ceiling.  



It`s a shame you`re too cheap to pay for someone who is well qualified, takes the time to listen and understand and proposes some great solutions. You get what you pay for, plain and simple.  Your current site now screams you didn`t want to pay a dime. What consumer/visitor will take you seriously?
TwilightPics2007-3-23 11:23:37
beautifulpetunia

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Mar 23, 2007 11:14 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Ouch, harsh there twilightpics, but you do have a point.

I prefer to use the term frugal, however, it is difficult to swallow a daunting price tag when your not truy confident that they can do it.

The first company I was using was not expecially cheap, rather, they went the extra mile to show they could do what needed to be done, and even then, it did not prove successful.

So, therein lies the dilemma: you hear the horror stories of folks that laid out thousands of bucks and then end up with nothing, or worse, something terrible that looks like something they did themselves (just curious twilight, but had you seen the original site that was put up by the webdesign co?)

In the end, it`s not so much about money as it is about faith, confidence and a proven track record.

So twilightpics, what can you do for me?

 

rvdebby

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Mar 23, 2007 11:30 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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It`s a shame you`re too cheap to pay for someone who is well qualified, takes the time to listen and understand and proposes some great solutions. You get what you pay for, plain and simple.  Your current site now screams you didn`t want to pay a dime. What consumer/visitor will take you seriously?

This site is about startup. Not everybody can afford to toss that kind of money out initially. As far as the site looking cheap, to people in web design yes, but you all keep forgetting "We don`t know"

The Green Bean site is colorful, well balanced, and says what it needs to say.

There are lots of things "We don`t know" I thought things that I wanted on my site would be extrememly complex too, since then I have learned that most of my "wants" are normal functions of a shopping cart. And then the overriding fear based on so many horror stories.

Being a new customer is hard. You don`t know what you aren`t asking, don`t know how much things should cost, how long things should take, and because you are probably dealing with someone that does not have a storefront in your little town it can seem that your money is flying out the window. I think it was a great solution for Petunia to get started with a site she created herself.

rvdebby2007-3-23 12:35:13


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TwilightPics

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Mar 23, 2007 12:31 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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So twilightpics, what can you do for me?



Nothing.

Experience tells me never do work with a client who is dissatisfied with a previous web developer. 99% of the time, it was the CLIENT`S fault, not the developers. The fact that you bothered making an entire post about how worthless web developers are (which in case you can`t tell I take offense to) is proof that you`re one of those customers who are never happy nor satisfied, no matter what.  No matter how good the service is, how good the final product is, and no matter how cheap the final cost,  your poor judgment will bring the project to a crashing halt resulting in money lost for both parties.

Then what will happen? You`ll post a nasty review on this website about how worthless the web developer is? No thanks, not for me. I will never do business with someone like you. Any experienced web developer will agree.


...these gypsies, tramps and thieves needless to say, I am becoming a rather cranky individual....So now, I turn to you, the great SUN community!



First tell us how much you hate us, then turn to us for help? Yeah good luck with that.

TwilightPics2007-3-23 13:33:46
beautifulpetunia

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Mar 23, 2007 10:04 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Thanks Debbie!

What you`re saying is so true for so many of us starting up, and is one of the reasons why SUN is so great.

 

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I`m sorry twilightpics.

It is unfortunate that my venting on an experience impressed you as personal.

I hope to prove you wrong, so we can talk about how we can help eachother grow.

 

beautifulpetunia2007-3-23 23:40:28
jvmombay

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Mar 29, 2007 8:20 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Hello beautifulpetunia,

i`ve checked your site and here`s what i just got to say.

It`s way too simple.  looks like an MLM business.  The logo is nice... actually i like it but the way the pictures were made seems uhmm.. too early 90ish.  registration is quite uneasy to the eyes.. its tiring to even look at it.  There are too much text around, maybe a little graphics here and there could do the trick.  Links are scattered all over which is fine if you want to read everything but most people just want to glance and get on with it.

The tables used for your packages isn`t done well.. as far as firefox is concerned the lines just go between some of the text on it.

and the links are just going around, this is confusing for readers.

overall, since most things were already there a little organizing on the contents will make the site work better.




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Netmom

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Apr 02, 2007 12:23 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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I have managed to find a great designer who I will be glad to refer to you. He was affordable (for us everybody`s idea of that is different) and even has a printing company that give great pricing too. Oh and he is SUPER-FAST!

PMB for his info.



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