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vwebworld

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Oct 23, 2008 9:43 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Sending you an email. - email was returned undeliverable.
 
I`d be happy to talk to you about your needs and goals for your site and provide a quote and references.

PM me to let me know a phone number and best time to call.

Or if you prefer you can email me your thoughts.

In addition to my web experience I have an accounting and management background.
~Roland
vwebworld10/23/2008 9:54 AM


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envymike

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Oct 23, 2008 11:37 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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How would they be able to collect the 2nd half of the payment from your paypal account. That is fraud, you may call paypal and report this or get an attorney which I know you have if you sell businesses this should not be difficult. Ask paypal for fund reversal and they well dispute that.
envymike10/23/2008 11:43 AM
bevjoy

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Oct 25, 2008 1:47 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Hi Roland:
Just read your email, so sorry your email to me got blocked and returned, I didn`t know till now.
Try again at:  bgunmunro@yahoo.com & I also would be happy to call you too.
You are welcome to call me at:  818-300-4616
Thank you ~ I welcome your advise and help.
Bev
vwebworld

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Oct 25, 2008 2:20 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Thanks, I sent you an email.
 
You might want to remove your email address from your post (above).
 
Spam bots might grab it off the forum.
 
~Roland
vwebworld10/25/2008 2:23 AM


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aims2728

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Oct 26, 2008 9:13 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Hi BevJoy,
 
Sorry to hear about your mishaps.  Its so sad to see other companies and people take advantage of situations.  I own a full service design and marketing company and we specialize in big and small jobs.  My number one concern is my clients well being and making sure their website (or other product) we offer them is exactly what they expect and given to them in the timeframe agreed upon.
 
I would love to help you with your current situation.  You can contact me privately and we can discuss in full detail what we can do for you.  I know your conference has already passed but there may be ways you can still market to those visitors.  Sometimes conferences will provide a "mailing list or email list" of all the vendors and or attendants that were at the shows.  We can def help you market to those people you missed.  First stop is getting you a top notch website that people want to visit.
 
As others have said, a reputable company or professional will most likely ask for 30-50% upfront, however they will not ask for the remainder of the fees until the project is complete and launched (or printed and delivered) and client is happy.  This is the way we work and of course we have special situations and payment plans we do with other clients as well.
 
Lets talk I would love to help you *from one Entrepreneur to another...* 
webmissy

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Oct 26, 2008 2:43 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Have you tried filing with Paypal for File a transaction dispute

Perhaps they could at least help you get your funds back. While that won`t help with the fact they didn`t deliver it will soften the blow of the non receipt of service

Good Luck



Signalfire

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Oct 28, 2008 10:41 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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There are some really bad apples out there that make the rest of us (the legit ones) look bad. While we always try and meet face to face with would-be clients, distance and cost does make it more challenging. In that instance, we offer to have current clients speak with the new ones—something I am flattered and honored to have clients willing to tell others about us.

I always try and "show" our quality and not speak of it. Simply showing links or a portfolio isn`t enough, but by personalizing it and making it "real" for a new client is what makes the difference. Between the work we`ve done and the current client`s testimonials, we do our best to show accountability and professionalism.

There are some good resources here, as a branding firm, we understand and appreciate the frustrations. Roland and the others here are real pros... of course, if you would like other outside opinions, please feel free to PM me as well.

Signalfire10/28/2008 11:45 AM
Nuevolution

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Oct 28, 2008 10:58 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Thank you Janie for replying.  The 2nd, so called reliable company, made me sign a contract and pay 1/2 up front and 1/2 later.  Two weeks later they took the 2nd 1/2 of the payment (therefore the entire amount now paid) out of my PayPal account, without my ok, acknowledgement, etc.   They had all my money and had not yet even assigned me a web designer.  What has been done to date is beyond amateurish and `home made` looking.  I gave them template samples I found on line, as well as font and colors.  They ignored what I submitted, designed a header, a rectangular box, totally different colors than I asked for ~ and are now claiming they did the work.
I have no recourse and cannot go after them ~ they are in another State and I would have to file `small claims court` in Utah ~ not worth the time and cost to retrieve my money.


Bevjoy,
There`s a trend going on, with designers where they are taking peoples money up front and not delivering what they promised, but that is not your fault, that is because there`s a hole in the Pay Pals terms of use. In the pay pal`s term of use it says "that even if you receive an image, or anything over an email (digital goods) that the vendor has full-filled their obligation.

I had a similar problem like yours back in June, where I hired a flash designer for a small project, since he was a contractor, he asked me for 50% down.
and told me that he would put me on a recurring payment structure and that he would deliver by the time he got the second payment.

So the second payment was withdrawn and nothing was accomplished. I requested that he built a nice sunset with the name of the company my intensions were for him to build this for me (I had to hire another flash designer for that scene).

Instead he sent me a picture of a bucket with a happy face... and I was down $300.00 bucks for a flash animation.

After emailing the flash designer, he started getting bold and to an extent called me every name on the book and refused to give me back my money. I didn`t panic, what I did was I logged into my pay pal account, and went over to "RESOLUTION CENTER" and opened a dispute. Now here is where you`re going to have to be very careful, DO NOT LET THE OTHER COMPANY CLOSE THE DISPUTE ON YOU" call me if you need instructions.

The minute you open a dispute it automatically puts your funds into a holding tank (what PayPal calls it) If they have the funds, they will take the funds from their account. If they don`t have the funds in their paypal, it will Freeze their account, and any payments that they collect will be to satisfy their negative account. Even if you signed an agreement you can still get your money back. Save all the emails, because pay pal is going to request that you send them copies. It will take approximately 21 days for you to get your money back, but you will get it... and in return freeze the other parties account until they have the funds available to pay you back. Open two separate disputes since they both have different transaction ID`s. Call me and I will walk you through the process...
626 698-1833...



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When starting your own business the need to "know-how" is greater than money!
http://www.nuevolution.net
RabbitMountain

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Oct 28, 2008 11:07 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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bevjoy -- I know it`s a bit late now, but in the event any one else is reading this who is running into similar problems, something you can do to CYA before forking out any money is to contact a firm`s former clients and find out directly from the source what kind of service they got. Check out their portfolio and look up the businesses listed there on your own, then give a call and talk to the person who worked most closely with the company. Some projects go more smoothly than others of course, but if you find a general trend of people feeling they got their money`s worth and are satisfied with their websites, chances are very good you`ll find the same thing.

What puzzles me is how the Utah company was able to withdraw funds from your PayPal account. As far as I know, the only way to accomplish this is if you agreed to let them do an automatic withdrawal, like a subscription or something. PayPal doesn`t screw around with security.

—paula
Nuevolution

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Oct 28, 2008 11:20 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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That`s the only way they can withdraw the money! if she agreed to be put on a recurring or subscription payment then she could have stopped that from happening. But again, she was in a hurry because of her speech /event. I`m assuming she can sue them for "putting her on the spot".
or something. The company she used is a huge design firm that everyone complains about.
She can still get her money back!



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Edgar Monroy
Web Developer / Owner / Consultant
When starting your own business the need to "know-how" is greater than money!
http://www.nuevolution.net
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