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escentre

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May 24, 2008 1:28 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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  I have written short write-ups about work improvements and happy to share with all the members here

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CraigL

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"I am sure you can tell me that speaking to a person who is judgmental needs a lot more patience than speaking to a person who is curious. In other words, talking to a curious person is more interesting because he/she allows us to complete our explanations and would take us to an area that we haven’t yet explored. Conversation with a judgmental often ended up very brief and there not much discussion or exchange of ideas. As the famous quote says:
“Only the curious will learn and only the resolute overcome the obstacles to learning. The quest quotient has always excited me more than the intelligence quotient.” -- Eugene S. Wilson"
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I think you likely are using the word "judgemental" incorrectly. (That`s a judgement, on my part.) :-)

Judgement is the result of analysis; it`s the right side of an equation. If I see that I have two quarters in one pocket, and three quarters in another pocket, then I have $1.25 in total.

If that`s all the money I have in the world, and I have to choose between buying food or renting a DVD, I have to evaluate the importance of each option. When I`ve concluded that evaluation, then in my *judgement,* I spend the money on one or the other, or don`t spend it.

The analysis of the situation splits into the concrete facts---how much money do I actually have---and the abstract evaluation. Judgement is the way we draw a conclusion about evaulations. People without judgement are usually called fools.

Curiosity, on the other hand, is simply a state of being uncomfortable about current conditions. It`s a response mechanism, foundational to the mind. We respond to the unusual, different, or irregular, to make a judgement as to its threat potential.

Being curious without any judgement is a total waste of time. It`s like being a shopper who`s always "just looking," never buying anything at all. It`s the person who tastes new foods, never deciding if they`d like to order it in the future. Empty curiosity is wandering around through life with no goal, no direction, no decisions, and no plans.

The key problem with modern-day "New Age" thinking is that it rests on the value of spontaneity. The idea is to never make plans, and only react on a momentary basis to whatever is happening in the present. It proposes that we should never judge, never decide, never plan, never do anything other than wander around aimlessly, like the birds and the animals.

The underlying theory is that "something" undefined and undetermined will "somehow" produce an outcome favorable to the individual. The contradiction is that without any judgement or plan, there`s no outcome at all to be expected. It`s simply drifting along in the river of time, accepting anything and everything that happens as "just fine."

Why be curious about anything at all, if the intent is to have no intentions? Why care about the surrounding events in any way, if we`re supposed to simply accept whatever happens to us? That`s fine for a lot of people, but it simply doesn`t conform to reality by any description.
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Craig, You are so dead on! Love it and agree.
 
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escentre

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Thank you Mr. Landes for submitting you post. Your effort to clarify to me the meaning of the word `judgment` was much appreciated.

Having asked my good companion Google Search on the meaning of `judgmental person` via its web search. I got these answers;
 
an original definition by J.E.Brown
 judgmental
adj. A pejorative. Said of a person who habitually forms or voices unkind, esp. moralistic opinions of others.
 
Merriam-Webster Online (m-w.com) gives definition, saying in part "2: characterized by tendency to judge harshly. "I don`t think this goes far enough, as it unwittingly includes the judging of inanimate objects, and leaves out the emphasis on moral judgments. Still, the word "harshly" is right on.
 
Gary E.Antion defines "judgmental" and insightfully adds "often specifically, judgments considered to be lacking in tolerance, compassion, objectivity, etc"`
 
I searched further on the meaning of the word: pejorative
Answer.com gave me;
adj.
1. Tending to make or become worse
2. Disparating; belittling.
 
n.
A disparating or belittling word or expression.
 
Thesaurus: pejorative
adjective
Tending or intending to belittle: deprecative, deprecatory, depreciative, depreciatory, derogative, derogatory, detractive, disparating, low, slighting, uncomplimentary.
 
Thank you again
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
escentre5/26/2008 12:52 AM


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You`re welcome, and although I understand that the dictionary is considered the definitive source of meaning, it`s unfortunately not true. Nowadays, the dictionary, like so many other previously honorable references, has been affected by political correctness, "sensitivity," politics in general, and consensus agreement.

For example, the correct spelling of nuclear is just that...nuclear. Because so many English-speaking people incorrectly pronounce it "nuk-yoo-lar," the dictionary now proposes (who are these people?) a so-called second and optional spelling, nucular.

From Merriam-Webster:
usage Though disapproved of by many, pronunciations ending in -ky?-l?r have been found in widespread use among educated speakers including scientists, lawyers, professors, congressmen, United States cabinet members, and at least two United States presidents and one vice president. While most common in the United States, these pronunciations have also been heard from British and Canadian speakers.

"Judgemental," derives from the verb, "to judge:"
1  : of, relating to, or involving judgment
2  : characterized by a tendency to judge harshly <judgmental prigs>

You`ll note that the characterization is the second, not the primary meaning of the word. Although it`s true in the dictionary that some judgemental people have this tendency towards another characterization of "harsh," that`s a subjective editorialization by the editors of the so-called dictionary.

The fact remains that judgement is fundamental to all action. Without judgement, people are both fools and apathetic. I have a highly judgemental (in its second usage) attitude toward modern dictionaries for exactly this reason. They`re part of the problem, not part of or the entire solution.

Your article is essentially a characterization, which is fine in and of itself. The issue I have with it is when you pass it off as an objective analysis of business process or social interaction. It isn`t objective---it`s a commentary of your own observations. That too is okay, given that you`re writing a blog not a reference manual.

You`ll also find that another, more apt synonym for judgement is "discernment," which isn`t at all the same as "pejorative."

Too many people in today`s world have sloughed off semantics, implying that playing with words and their meanings is a useless activity. The result is a population of people who can barely speak or write the language. But the far more dangerous result is that political correctness, and the fascism of modern times:
1. often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

Thank you for accepting a disagreement with your posting, and not going off on a rant. I understand that you`ve examined the authorities, but those authorities are no longer reliable.

WordNet:
# S: (adj) judgmental (depending on judgment) "a judgmental error"; "I think that she is too judgmental to be a good therapist"
Judgement:
Noun
# S: (n) judgment, judgement, mind (an opinion formed by judging something) "he was reluctant to make his judgment known"; "she changed her mind"
# S: (n) judgment, judgement, assessment (the act of judging or assessing a person or situation or event) "they criticized my judgment of the contestants"
# S: (n) judgment, judgement, judicial decision ((law) the determination by a court of competent jurisdiction on matters submitted to it)
# S: (n) judgment, judgement, judging (the cognitive process of reaching a decision or drawing conclusions)
# S: (n) opinion, legal opinion, judgment, judgement (the legal document stating the reasons for a judicial decision) "opinions are usually written by a single judge"
# S: (n) judgment, judgement, sound judgment, sound judgement, perspicacity (the capacity to assess situations or circumstances shrewdly and to draw sound conclusions)
# S: (n) sagacity, sagaciousness, judgment, judgement, discernment (the mental ability to understand and discriminate between relations)
Lynn59

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Regardless of the meaning of the word judgment, I appreciate your effort to encourage others  with your blog. Thanks, Jaffar.
 
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Craig:
Please do not play around with words of the dictionaries but define the term on the basis of your first reply in the link. 
Any judgment is based upon getting irrelevant or relevant information and then using the brain and reasoning to decide (remember feeling your quarters in your pockets).   Please examin the slogan of the world scientists that CO2 causes global warming as its number is increasing in the environment.  No EPA scientist has been able to show by concrete evidence that it is linked to global warming (as was shown in case of Cl and Ozone).  A higher number of CO2 (which by the way is recorded in a laboratory located in an island where it is being released along with lava) does not necessaarily mean that it is increasing global warming. After reading most of the literature, I come to the judgement that higher concentration of CO2 is better for humans because it only provides the energy captured from sun in a molecule called ATP which is used by all the animals and plants of the world for any activity even when breathing during sleep (an action not under direct control of the organism).  What is your judgement with these facts.
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My judgement is that whatever global warming may be taking place, it`s a) part of a natural cycle, and b) has nothing whatsoever to do with human actions at any sort of threat level whatsover. The so-called "global warming crisis" is one of the biggest money-making scams we`ve seen in a number of years.

That being said, my point in this particular discussion is that the context in which we use words, and the words themselves create an impression on the reader. I didn`t agree with the impression Jaffar was proposing on his Web site, and took issue with it.

I never "play around" with words in the dictionary---that`s sophistry, not semantics. You`ve described how judgement may take place, but haven`t defined the term "judgement" or "judgemental." I`m not saying you have to, we`ve already done that to death, but I`m not quite sure where you think or believe there`s "playing around" taking place.
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