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whyspyder

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May 23, 2007 8:38 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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http://www.whyspyder.wiscichlidforum.com/

I am looking for some feedback from everyone about how my site is looking.

I built this site myself with little knowledge of web design on Fireworks MX by Macromedia.

Spyder`s Cichlids is a concept that my wife and I came up with through a username that I use online in many forums; why_spyder or whyspyder (if _`s aren`t allowed).  We felt it was a unique name - but I`ve been questioning whether or not its easy to remember.

This site is to be used as a form of advertising - not so much a place to order directly from.  I wanted to make a site that was easy to navigate, easy to read,  and quick to load up - as I, myself, can get impatient waiting for a screen to fully appear.

I plan to get my own domain name as I get more serious - just using this space right now as a "test site" (and it was given to me for free - I couldn`t pass it up).

I have had compliments from various people online (other hobbyists) but would like some constructive criticism from a business point-of-view.

Let me know how bad it is.  Thanks.

 

Brian

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nhgnikole

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May 23, 2007 11:58 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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It loads funny and is a little dark, but I think it looks nice.

It makes me miss my tank.

The question is ... what is the goal of the site? And are you achieving that?

I think misspellings are hard to remember, like spyder v spider.
tikki50

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May 23, 2007 3:05 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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I worked with this site for a long time: Michiganreefers.com they started as a little forum and kept growing. I think the site like nikole said is a bit dark, what is the goal here, to inform visitors of that type of fish? If so, I`d rather have a community that helps answer all those questions instead of you doing all of them. It takes alot of the burden off your shoulders and will allow you to grow the site.

CraigL

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May 23, 2007 3:43 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Hi Brian :-)
If you`re going to use a dark background, your text pretty much has to be a sans serif typeface, like Arial or Verdana. Otherwise, it`s very difficult to read.

One option that works very nicely is to put a box into the dark background, with a light color background and regular black text. Nicely done, it can lend some fine aesthetic value just having that box...or several of them.

Another option would be to use a more turquoise color like in the tropical oceans or a saltwater tank? Then if you put in a box, you could use the same color, but maybe 50% lighter.

Right now, the page looks like something out of "Jaws," with the cichlid being threatening. I`m assuming that`s not what you`re going for? :-)

I don`t think you`ll have a problem with "spyder," as long as you join it directly to "cichlids." So Spyder Cichlids would be fine. It would only target people already into tropical fish who know the type of fish they want. You`d likely not get many visitors who are just starting out with a tank.

I didn`t mind the site`s loading time, using Firefox and a DSL line. But when I went to your photography page there weren`t any photographs. You`ve said the site is under development, so maybe that`ll come later. On the other hand, if a site can "snap" into place with no scrolling down, that`s definitely nicer.

We`ve made a decision on our site, where we really want a blend for the background. So we`re going to have a scrolling time, but it`s a trade-off we`re willing to make. I can understand your wanting that nice background, though.

As a compromise, we`re using exactly the same JPG for the background on all the pages. That way, the browser only has to cache it one time, and it should load the other pages more quickly. On your site, it seems every page is scrolling downward though.

I see you`re using a lot of "spacer.gif" images, and other nothing images. Why? Oh....wait...I see you`re putting in your text as a graphic! That`s definitely a no-no! The search engines can`t crawl it. So instead, use the table cell background colors or image, and put your actual text into each cell. That`d likely cut way down on the loading time per page. (Is there an acronym for that, "LTPP?")

People are used to seeing an underlined phrase as a hyperlink. But in your images, the underlined text isn`t at all clickable, being that it`s an image. I`d rethink that concept.

CraigL2007-5-23 15:50:40
whyspyder

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May 23, 2007 4:46 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Thanks for all the feedback so far.  Greatly appreciated.

The goal for the site is to be more of a "brochure" - here`s what I got to offer.  Not meant to be an actual place to purchase directly off of without any contact directly.

I wouldn`t mind having some type of forum/community - but I don`t really want to "compete" with the other forums out there that are doing so well as it is.  Should I maybe cut out the FAQ area?

I chose the dark background as it is different, and does sort of set the mood for the type of fish that I have - aggressive yet loving .  I definitely will try a lighter background - or use boxes as CraigL mentioned.  The site is meant to be aesthetic - so if it means rethinking what I`ve done, I`m willing to give it a go.

I do want my site to be aimed at more experienced fishkeepers, not so much beginners.

I have to work on the Photo Gallery, not everything is done to it.

To be honest, there`s a few things here I`m not comprehending that I think is just a sign how little I know about webdesign

"As a compromise, we`re using exactly the same JPG for the background on all the pages. That way, the browser only has to cache it one time, and it should load the other pages more quickly. On your site, it seems every page is scrolling downward though."

First off, does this mean to use a JPG version of the background image instead of .PNG?  If so, I know how to do that.

"I see you`re using a lot of "spacer.gif" images, and other nothing images. Why? Oh....wait...I see you`re putting in your text as a graphic! That`s definitely a no-no! The search engines can`t crawl it. So instead, use the table cell background colors or image, and put your actual text into each cell."

I don`t know how to do this.  I know what the `spacer.gif` is, but not sure how to modify it, if that`s what you mean.  It may be something that I`ll end up having to have a designer fix or just have a designer build this site all-together.

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CraigL

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May 23, 2007 9:40 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Don`t use a PNG file. They`re not yet supported across all Web browsers. However, what I meant was that if you have THISFILE.JPG as your background image, the first time someone goes to your site, the browser will download the file to a temporary folder on the person`s hard drive. That`s the "cache" (pronounced `cash`).

The download takes time, depending on what sort of Internet connection the person has. But to call up a file from their hard drive takes very little time. So if you have the same file, by name, as the background for all your pages, the download happens only the first time. The next time, the browser will call up the background from the hard drive and only download whatever`s different from the Web site. Follow?

Since you`re putting your text into image files, then every time anyone clicks on a different page, the browser has to download a whole new set of image files. And as I`d think you know, image files are much larger than text, taking a lot longer to download. That`s what`s causing the downward cascade, as the browser "writes" the lines of the file to the monitor.

I`d suggest you get a book about Basic CSS, or Basic HTML. You can study a lot online, but in many cases, it`s easier and more comfortable to read a book. When you`re choosing a title, examine the book`s contents to see if it has a section on how to use background colors or images in tables.

Also check your Web editor (can`t remember the name). There should be a way for you to click or right-click on a table cell and put in that background image. The only trick I`ve seen is that the file name should have no spaces at all. You can use hyphens or underscores, but no spaces.
whyspyder

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May 24, 2007 12:07 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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I do believe I understand what you mean now.  I have a basic knowledge of HTML but am trying to learn some Basic CSS still.  I have Macromedia Dreamweaver and I believe it has tutorials on CSS that I could learn from.

Thanks for the clarification.



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CraigL

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May 24, 2007 2:42 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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I`m not sure, but since Nvu is a clone of DreamWeaver, there`s probably a "right click" place, somewhere in DreamWeaver that`ll let you quickly change the "inline style" of any tag. Then there`s hopefully a way to quickly build styles.
 
Nvu (free) includes CSS Editor, which does just that---interactively builds styles. So I`d assume DreamWeaver has something similar.
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