James-
I have a Provisional Patent Application filed as of 7/06 due to the
number of different design variables that cover the different makes &
models of motorcycle. The strategy being that I would file a Regular
Patent Application for a particular design every eleven months while
simultaneously filing another provisional for the next design. This would
keep the competition guessing while getting the maximum time period
for my offensive rights.
Rob O.
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Rob -
the "hook up" is underway. look for a private message with the angel`s cell phone.
just spoke with him ("pete")- he was one of the country`s leading wholesaler/distributors of motorcycle parts and owned 9 motorcycle franchises and grew up as a kid just tinkering/self educating himself as a motorcycle maintenance/performance expert.
i told him that you weren`t expecting money from him, but that you`d look for his mentoring. but who knows, if he becomes enamored with what you`ve got, he could lead you directly to the money you need. certainly, he should be able to help with strategy.
go get `em.
rich
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Rich Sloan , Co-Founder, Chief Startupologist, StartupNation
the "hook up" is underway. look for a private message with the angel`s cell phone.
just spoke with him ("pete")- he was one of the country`s leading wholesaler/distributors of motorcycle parts and owned 9 motorcycle franchises and grew up as a kid just tinkering/self educating himself as a motorcycle maintenance/performance expert.
i told him that you weren`t expecting money from him, but that you`d look for his mentoring. but who knows, if he becomes enamored with what you`ve got, he could lead you directly to the money you need. certainly, he should be able to help with strategy.
go get `em.
rich
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Rich Sloan , Co-Founder, Chief Startupologist, StartupNation
well, rob? did you reach "pete"? how`d it go?
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Rich Sloan , Co-Founder, Chief Startupologist, StartupNation
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Rich Sloan , Co-Founder, Chief Startupologist, StartupNation
THIS IS THE LONG ANSWER TO THE ABOVE QUESTION:
THE FOLLOWING ARE EXERPS FROM POSTS THAT GOT ME MOTIVATED TO
PARTICIPATE IN THE S.U.N. (Start-up Nation) COMMUNITY IN THE FIRST
PLACE. UNDER THE ADVISEMENT OF RICH SLOAN WE FEEL THAT OTHERS
MAY BENEFIT FROM THE EXCHANGE OF POSTS & EMAILS THAT HAVE
TAKEN PLACE THESE LAST FEW DAYS, SO I`M POSTING THEM HERE. FEEL
FREE TO REQUEST CLARIFICATION SHOULD ANY OF IT SEEM CONFUSING-
IT TOOK A LOT OF CUT+PASTE TO ASSEMBLE.
THE FIRST PART IS FROM A THREAD RICH STARTED ASKING IF NIKOLA
TESLA AS PORTRAYED IN THE MOVIE "THE PRESTIGE" WAS IN FACT A REAL
PERSON, AND CRAIG L. HAD THIS TO SAY:
"Without Tesla we wouldn`t have the technological society of today. He
invented the generator for A/C (alternating current), and was at the center
of the most basic decision about how to electrify America. Edison
proposed wiring the country for D/C (direct current), but couldn`t send
high power across the distances that A/C could accomplish.
Nikola Tesla began his US career working for Edison, then quit over a
difference of process. Tesla had a mind such that when he had an idea,
he literally saw that idea in such detail, he didn`t need to make more than
a single prototype. And it worked, right there.
Edison invented the "research group" concept. He hired many inventors
and scientists and engineers, then basically put them next to a pile of
"stuff." They played with things in trial-and-error ways until someone
came up with something almost by accident, and it worked. Then Edison
patented it and sold it. Prior, Edison did the same with his attempts to
find a filament for the incandescent bulb. He too tried anything,
eventually ending up with carbon. Tesla thought that was a ridiculous way
to run an inventing business.
Up until around 1930, the US Census had a labor category for "Inventor."
Around `39-`40, Edison`s research center idea had so taken over that
most "inventors" couldn`t afford to work alone, and joined corporations.
And so the professional "inventor" fell away. Today`s entrepreneurs are
the re-defined inventors that have always been there, and it won`t be long
before we once again see a category something like "microbusiness
owner."
Tesla contracted with Col. Westinghouse, who backed his idea for an
alternating current generator, then helped finance the first major power
plant at Niagra Falls. Tesla wanted to donate the knowledge, but
Westinghouse demanded Tesla take a royalty of about $1 (late 1800s
dollars) per megawatt. If Tesla hadn`t relinquished those royalties, he`d
have died with a net worth in the hundreds of millions (today, billions),
rather than dying nearly penniless.
Westinghouse came up against J.P. Morgan and Edison (General Electric)
and was about to go bankrupt. Tesla came to his rescue, handing him
over those royalties. At the time, Tesla was busy inventing wireless radio,
television, and a way to beam power directly across the atmosphere.
Westinghouse remained in business.
Eventually, Tesla spent all his time working on beamed power,
capitalized with VC from JP Morgan, and didn`t pay much attention when
an intern of his, Marconi, took his ideas and developed what we now
know as radio. It wasn`t until about 10-20 years ago (I think), that Tesla
was finally given recognition as the inventor, and the patents to Marconi
overturned.
Beyond his work with A/C, sparkplugs, radio, television, remote control,
and a rudimentary beamed-power weapon, Tesla was fascinated with
lightning and electricity in general. He held that the Earth, rotating within
the center of a magnetic field, was essentially a huge electrical generator.
To that end, he demonstrated to Morgan, a way to draw power from the
air, using a small antennae.
My own opinion is that when JP Morgan realized people could power
anything for free, he nixed the idea, calling in a large investment loan,
and mostly bankrupting Tesla.
Legend has it that the catastrophic Siberian explosion in 1908 was a
beamed-power experiment Tesla conducted from his lab in Colorado, in
conjunction with the US Military. (A more fitting hypothesis is that it was a
direct hit by a meteor.) But a true story is that Tesla also worked with
resonation and vibrational harmonics.
He had a small pendulum type device, like a small box, and attached it
to a girder in his lab in NYC. He set it working, then forgot about it. Not
long afterwards, people felt the initial symptoms of an earthquake, with
windows shaking, the ground vibrating, and cracks appearing in the
neighborhood. Tracking it down, the authorities found the device in
Tesla`s lab and told him to quit doing that...he could poke someone`s eye
out! :-)
Tesla is the unheralded genius of the American technological revolution
that took place between 1875-1930. It`s only a shame so few people have
heard of him, although he`s well-known outside the traditional circles of
typical high-school educational systems." -orig. post 10/28 by CraigL.
THIS GOT ME THINKING ABOUT MY OWN HISTORY & WHAT CHALLENGES
IT HAS WROUGHT ME, SO AFTER POSTING MY PITCH TO THE COMMUNITY,
I SENT THIS TO RICH SLOAN:
Hi Rich,
I want to thank you & your brother for starting such a great resource for
those of us who feel we`ve exhausted our options. The story CraigL. told
you about Nikola Tesla was so refreshing, I had forgotten all that he went
through & I now find myself able to relate to his frustrations more than I
thought possible 20 years ago. I often see solutions to problems that
seem common sense to me and work first time out of the box, yet I find
great difficulty selling those ideas to those "less enlightened".
My Question: Is it too late for me to compete for the elevator pitch? One
of the members responding to my Forum Thread suggested I participate
in the contest but I`m having no luck finding the rules for getting
involved.
My pitch is pretty concise if I can find the right person to "throw it" at.
The long version is under "COMMERCIALIZING YOUR INVENTION" Apptly
titled: "End of My Rope".
As always I`m open to any advice you might have, thanks for your time.
RICH PROMPTLY REPLIED WITH THIS TO SAY:
Rob,
I have a feeling this contest is booked BUT we will do another one in the
near future and that`s a perfect opportunity for you. I will make sure that
Alison, our radio producer, contacts you.
Thanks so much for the feedback, by the way. Have you seen the movie
"The Prestige" yet? David Bowie plays the part of Tesla.
Rich
HAVING BEEN RE-ENERGIZED BY THIS RESPONSE TO MY LETTER, I
ANSWERED WITH THIS SLICE OF LIFE STORY:
Rich-
I have yet to see The Prestige but I have seen a few good documentries
on his life & how Edison stole some key ideas he had. It`s amazing how
much power there is in money, never mind the atmosphere. A friend of
mine in high school had a Tesla Coil that his father had from the fifties.
He let me borrow it for my science project & it was the talk of the class. It
would make a 2-3 inch long bolt of electricity that looked like something
from a Frankenstein movie- very cool!
I read about you guys in a Costco magazine a few weeks ago and was
glad to know I`m not alone in wanting to fix what`s not working in the
world today. If my invention becomes the success it should be, then my
mission will be to eliminate economic strife in this country by creating
jobs in every facet of industry, raising the standard of living by paying
people what their worth and manufacturing the highest quality products
at competitive prices- if people were paid more they`d spend more- if
we`re the ones making the goods, the money they spend is on the
products we (the people) make. Magic formula- one hand washing the
other.
Too utopian? I think it beats what`s going on these days, don`t you?
Rob O.
-------------------------
Until you walk a MILE in another man`s Moccasins- You can never Know the man!!!
THE FOLLOWING ARE EXERPS FROM POSTS THAT GOT ME MOTIVATED TO
PARTICIPATE IN THE S.U.N. (Start-up Nation) COMMUNITY IN THE FIRST
PLACE. UNDER THE ADVISEMENT OF RICH SLOAN WE FEEL THAT OTHERS
MAY BENEFIT FROM THE EXCHANGE OF POSTS & EMAILS THAT HAVE
TAKEN PLACE THESE LAST FEW DAYS, SO I`M POSTING THEM HERE. FEEL
FREE TO REQUEST CLARIFICATION SHOULD ANY OF IT SEEM CONFUSING-
IT TOOK A LOT OF CUT+PASTE TO ASSEMBLE.
THE FIRST PART IS FROM A THREAD RICH STARTED ASKING IF NIKOLA
TESLA AS PORTRAYED IN THE MOVIE "THE PRESTIGE" WAS IN FACT A REAL
PERSON, AND CRAIG L. HAD THIS TO SAY:
"Without Tesla we wouldn`t have the technological society of today. He
invented the generator for A/C (alternating current), and was at the center
of the most basic decision about how to electrify America. Edison
proposed wiring the country for D/C (direct current), but couldn`t send
high power across the distances that A/C could accomplish.
Nikola Tesla began his US career working for Edison, then quit over a
difference of process. Tesla had a mind such that when he had an idea,
he literally saw that idea in such detail, he didn`t need to make more than
a single prototype. And it worked, right there.
Edison invented the "research group" concept. He hired many inventors
and scientists and engineers, then basically put them next to a pile of
"stuff." They played with things in trial-and-error ways until someone
came up with something almost by accident, and it worked. Then Edison
patented it and sold it. Prior, Edison did the same with his attempts to
find a filament for the incandescent bulb. He too tried anything,
eventually ending up with carbon. Tesla thought that was a ridiculous way
to run an inventing business.
Up until around 1930, the US Census had a labor category for "Inventor."
Around `39-`40, Edison`s research center idea had so taken over that
most "inventors" couldn`t afford to work alone, and joined corporations.
And so the professional "inventor" fell away. Today`s entrepreneurs are
the re-defined inventors that have always been there, and it won`t be long
before we once again see a category something like "microbusiness
owner."
Tesla contracted with Col. Westinghouse, who backed his idea for an
alternating current generator, then helped finance the first major power
plant at Niagra Falls. Tesla wanted to donate the knowledge, but
Westinghouse demanded Tesla take a royalty of about $1 (late 1800s
dollars) per megawatt. If Tesla hadn`t relinquished those royalties, he`d
have died with a net worth in the hundreds of millions (today, billions),
rather than dying nearly penniless.
Westinghouse came up against J.P. Morgan and Edison (General Electric)
and was about to go bankrupt. Tesla came to his rescue, handing him
over those royalties. At the time, Tesla was busy inventing wireless radio,
television, and a way to beam power directly across the atmosphere.
Westinghouse remained in business.
Eventually, Tesla spent all his time working on beamed power,
capitalized with VC from JP Morgan, and didn`t pay much attention when
an intern of his, Marconi, took his ideas and developed what we now
know as radio. It wasn`t until about 10-20 years ago (I think), that Tesla
was finally given recognition as the inventor, and the patents to Marconi
overturned.
Beyond his work with A/C, sparkplugs, radio, television, remote control,
and a rudimentary beamed-power weapon, Tesla was fascinated with
lightning and electricity in general. He held that the Earth, rotating within
the center of a magnetic field, was essentially a huge electrical generator.
To that end, he demonstrated to Morgan, a way to draw power from the
air, using a small antennae.
My own opinion is that when JP Morgan realized people could power
anything for free, he nixed the idea, calling in a large investment loan,
and mostly bankrupting Tesla.
Legend has it that the catastrophic Siberian explosion in 1908 was a
beamed-power experiment Tesla conducted from his lab in Colorado, in
conjunction with the US Military. (A more fitting hypothesis is that it was a
direct hit by a meteor.) But a true story is that Tesla also worked with
resonation and vibrational harmonics.
He had a small pendulum type device, like a small box, and attached it
to a girder in his lab in NYC. He set it working, then forgot about it. Not
long afterwards, people felt the initial symptoms of an earthquake, with
windows shaking, the ground vibrating, and cracks appearing in the
neighborhood. Tracking it down, the authorities found the device in
Tesla`s lab and told him to quit doing that...he could poke someone`s eye
out! :-)
Tesla is the unheralded genius of the American technological revolution
that took place between 1875-1930. It`s only a shame so few people have
heard of him, although he`s well-known outside the traditional circles of
typical high-school educational systems." -orig. post 10/28 by CraigL.
THIS GOT ME THINKING ABOUT MY OWN HISTORY & WHAT CHALLENGES
IT HAS WROUGHT ME, SO AFTER POSTING MY PITCH TO THE COMMUNITY,
I SENT THIS TO RICH SLOAN:
Hi Rich,
I want to thank you & your brother for starting such a great resource for
those of us who feel we`ve exhausted our options. The story CraigL. told
you about Nikola Tesla was so refreshing, I had forgotten all that he went
through & I now find myself able to relate to his frustrations more than I
thought possible 20 years ago. I often see solutions to problems that
seem common sense to me and work first time out of the box, yet I find
great difficulty selling those ideas to those "less enlightened".
My Question: Is it too late for me to compete for the elevator pitch? One
of the members responding to my Forum Thread suggested I participate
in the contest but I`m having no luck finding the rules for getting
involved.
My pitch is pretty concise if I can find the right person to "throw it" at.
The long version is under "COMMERCIALIZING YOUR INVENTION" Apptly
titled: "End of My Rope".
As always I`m open to any advice you might have, thanks for your time.
RICH PROMPTLY REPLIED WITH THIS TO SAY:
Rob,
I have a feeling this contest is booked BUT we will do another one in the
near future and that`s a perfect opportunity for you. I will make sure that
Alison, our radio producer, contacts you.
Thanks so much for the feedback, by the way. Have you seen the movie
"The Prestige" yet? David Bowie plays the part of Tesla.
Rich
HAVING BEEN RE-ENERGIZED BY THIS RESPONSE TO MY LETTER, I
ANSWERED WITH THIS SLICE OF LIFE STORY:
Rich-
I have yet to see The Prestige but I have seen a few good documentries
on his life & how Edison stole some key ideas he had. It`s amazing how
much power there is in money, never mind the atmosphere. A friend of
mine in high school had a Tesla Coil that his father had from the fifties.
He let me borrow it for my science project & it was the talk of the class. It
would make a 2-3 inch long bolt of electricity that looked like something
from a Frankenstein movie- very cool!
I read about you guys in a Costco magazine a few weeks ago and was
glad to know I`m not alone in wanting to fix what`s not working in the
world today. If my invention becomes the success it should be, then my
mission will be to eliminate economic strife in this country by creating
jobs in every facet of industry, raising the standard of living by paying
people what their worth and manufacturing the highest quality products
at competitive prices- if people were paid more they`d spend more- if
we`re the ones making the goods, the money they spend is on the
products we (the people) make. Magic formula- one hand washing the
other.
Too utopian? I think it beats what`s going on these days, don`t you?
Rob O.
-------------------------
Until you walk a MILE in another man`s Moccasins- You can never Know the man!!!
remember, rob, look to your opportunity with "pete" as a stepping stone, not necessarily the be-all-end-all. ask for introductions to people who can help you achieve what you want to achieve.
also, be sure that you have a clear direction you would like to head or would like "pete" to critique. you need to demonstrate your professionalism, resourcefulness, and passion to "pete" so his confidence in you/your project surges and he`s compelled to take action in your best interest - whatever that may be.
good luck.
rich
-------------------------
Rich Sloan , Co-Founder, Chief Startupologist, StartupNation
also, be sure that you have a clear direction you would like to head or would like "pete" to critique. you need to demonstrate your professionalism, resourcefulness, and passion to "pete" so his confidence in you/your project surges and he`s compelled to take action in your best interest - whatever that may be.
good luck.
rich
-------------------------
Rich Sloan , Co-Founder, Chief Startupologist, StartupNation
UPDATE:
I heard from "Pete", and he is willing to help with any advice he can- But...
The search for Capital infusion continues. One encouraging note: Over 40
years in the motorcycle business & he never saw or heard of my device on
a bike. This is one more person who has given me the reassurance that I
am pursuing a viable product, and to everyone else I`ve heard from this
week- Thanks for your words of encouragement.
For those of you out there looking for a solid investment- Here it is!
What`s stopping you?
Remember- it`s not the Steak you`re selling, It`s the Sizzle!!!
-------------------------
Until you walk a MILE in another man`s Moccasins- You can never Know the man!!!
I heard from "Pete", and he is willing to help with any advice he can- But...
The search for Capital infusion continues. One encouraging note: Over 40
years in the motorcycle business & he never saw or heard of my device on
a bike. This is one more person who has given me the reassurance that I
am pursuing a viable product, and to everyone else I`ve heard from this
week- Thanks for your words of encouragement.
For those of you out there looking for a solid investment- Here it is!
What`s stopping you?
Remember- it`s not the Steak you`re selling, It`s the Sizzle!!!
-------------------------
Until you walk a MILE in another man`s Moccasins- You can never Know the man!!!
BetterMoustrap - are you wanting to license your invention or commercialize it through formation of a company?
are you interested in running the company if the latter is your plan?
-------------------------
Rich Sloan , Co-Founder, Chief Startupologist, StartupNation
are you interested in running the company if the latter is your plan?
-------------------------
Rich Sloan , Co-Founder, Chief Startupologist, StartupNation
Hi Rich-
At the risk of sounding over-ambitious, both. I`d like to bake my cake &
eat it too!
In all honesty, I feel I have a very concrete plan to finance a large
corporation with the revenues earned by a licensing agreement with every
motorcycle manufacturer who desires to remain competitive in the
market. When Volvo was proposing seatbelts be put in every vehicle
made, the industry as a whole was reluctant. But when the "industry" saw
the data Volvo had compiled through their R&D they were compelled to
follow suite, otherwise face being ostrisized by the public for not caring
for their customers well-being.
My device could carry an equally large influence on the Motorcycle
Industry due to the simple fact that it makes the operation of the bike
more user-friendly, thus safer. If a company like Honda adopts the idea &
Harley doesn`t, the consumer will vote with their money.
In the interest of safer operation, the rider will be more confident, so men
& women alike who were doubtful in their abilities to safely operate a
motorcycle will now feel that the operation is "second nature", bringing
into the market a customer base that could not exist before the adoption
of this device. Using the industry`s sales data, demographics, & forecasts-
this could essentially DOUBLE the sales of motorcycles both here in the
U.S. and abroad.
As far as "The Company" is concerned, I would like to branch out into a
number of markets that could be considered as "durable goods", but at
this stage it is more of a long term goal. I just want my potential investors
to know that this isn`t a short sighted plan- if I were to start the company
today I would retain the services of a company or companies that could
manufactuer our designs to supply demand for the aftermarket industry
until the idea caught on. As sales grew these company`s might become
my subsidearies... But my preference would be to start at the top & work
down from there. Honda is Top Dog right now- whatever they do the
world takes notice.
Sorry for such a long answer, any questions?
Rob O.
-------------------------
Until you walk a MILE in another man`s Moccasins- You can never Know the man!!!
At the risk of sounding over-ambitious, both. I`d like to bake my cake &
eat it too!
In all honesty, I feel I have a very concrete plan to finance a large
corporation with the revenues earned by a licensing agreement with every
motorcycle manufacturer who desires to remain competitive in the
market. When Volvo was proposing seatbelts be put in every vehicle
made, the industry as a whole was reluctant. But when the "industry" saw
the data Volvo had compiled through their R&D they were compelled to
follow suite, otherwise face being ostrisized by the public for not caring
for their customers well-being.
My device could carry an equally large influence on the Motorcycle
Industry due to the simple fact that it makes the operation of the bike
more user-friendly, thus safer. If a company like Honda adopts the idea &
Harley doesn`t, the consumer will vote with their money.
In the interest of safer operation, the rider will be more confident, so men
& women alike who were doubtful in their abilities to safely operate a
motorcycle will now feel that the operation is "second nature", bringing
into the market a customer base that could not exist before the adoption
of this device. Using the industry`s sales data, demographics, & forecasts-
this could essentially DOUBLE the sales of motorcycles both here in the
U.S. and abroad.
As far as "The Company" is concerned, I would like to branch out into a
number of markets that could be considered as "durable goods", but at
this stage it is more of a long term goal. I just want my potential investors
to know that this isn`t a short sighted plan- if I were to start the company
today I would retain the services of a company or companies that could
manufactuer our designs to supply demand for the aftermarket industry
until the idea caught on. As sales grew these company`s might become
my subsidearies... But my preference would be to start at the top & work
down from there. Honda is Top Dog right now- whatever they do the
world takes notice.
Sorry for such a long answer, any questions?
Rob O.
-------------------------
Until you walk a MILE in another man`s Moccasins- You can never Know the man!!!
Bettermouse trap,
Why not go to distributors?
Custom Chrome
Parts Unlimited
Tucker Rocky
I used to be a GM in the motorcycle industry.
If the distributors like it you are Gloden.
Have distributors sell it while you run the company.
That is your cake and eating it too.
Maybe more products will come out of it ?
Z
Why not go to distributors?
Custom Chrome
Parts Unlimited
Tucker Rocky
I used to be a GM in the motorcycle industry.
If the distributors like it you are Gloden.
Have distributors sell it while you run the company.
That is your cake and eating it too.
Maybe more products will come out of it ?
Z
Don`t forget that in patent law, once you start selling your product, you have only a year to patent it. If you change it, as you suggest, then you have a year from that date. I`m not sure about International Patents and their time frames. I did not get my patent filed in the time limits and now have to make changes in order to patent my "product" now.
Also, in my opinion, I would definitely cover myself with these patents before selling anything. Many attorneys will take equity positions or fine the angel investor for you once they see your product. It is easier for them to turn on an angel than for you to find one. I`d be looking just to fund the patent filings at this point.
emmytay
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