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CraigL

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Jul 29, 2007 7:08 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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There`s a pretty much guaranteed way to totally remove all fear from your life. All you need to do is totally stop caring about anything of value.

This is a superb system, excepting that there`s one monkey-wrench in the mix, and that depends on your beliefs regarding the field of psychology.
  • Do you believe that emotions are a unified whole, where what affects one part of your life, affects all the others?
  • Or, do you believe that emotions are compartmentalized, where you can stop caring about 1 thing (that`s still very valuable), but care very much about another thing in your life?
Fear and axiety carry at the base, a high value for a thing or things. It`s the fear of losing that thing that generates the fear. Most people tend to value their life, so the fear of being killed, executed, or otherwise made dead is strong. Losing the life would be a bad thing.

But the same logic carries into everything else. Suppose you own a home, a car or two, nice furniture, good clothes, a phone, and have a job. It`s when you fear losing any, some, or all of these that you become more and more afraid.

Free-floating anxiety is a biochemical thing, where you haven`t got a specific "thing" you`re afraid of losing. So that`s different from the fear of starting a business. In this second instance, we often worry that by starting the businesss, we`ll lose a steady income, lose our ability to pay bills, and so forth.

So just stop caring.

Plenty of people suggest this exact solution. They propose simply ignoring the fear, setting it aside, or otherwise pretending it doesn`t exist. Alright, you don`t have to pretend. You can make it a fact. Just quit caring about anything valuable, and Presto!, no more fear.

On the other hand, is it possible to simply not care anymore about a business, but to care very much for your spouse, your children and family, your pets, your health? Can you target your apathy? I don`t think so....but maybe other people do.

Doesn`t "value" mean that you "care about" that value? So although it would be wonderfully convenient to just stop caring, wouldn`t that also mean you also would no longer value anything? How many people think you can start a successful business by not caring at all whether or not it becomes successful?

No, I think we have to contemplate that it`s one or the other. Either you care about life, and accept the wild rollercoaster of fear and excitement; or, you don`t care about life, in which case you have no fear....but you also never initiate anything risky. Would you agree? Is it that cut-and-dried?
CraigL2007-7-29 19:10:49
Cristobalcat

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Jul 30, 2007 10:34 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Ey! I love that catchy phrase: "rollercoaster of fear and excitement".

It`s that what it is. Life.

Sorry CraigL, I don`t have that polished english you have to express myself, I`m still learning this new language.

I agree with your post. But look at it in a slightly different way.

There is not way to avoid fear, because the feeling fear is a defense mechanism built in our guts.

You can sedate a person to avoid it.

Yes there are way to minimize it or kill it, also drug and alcohol (and...why not? rock&roll! haha, just kiddding).

But I think is the wrong way to get anything. Because, as a defense mechanism, it`s not bad, IT IS GOOD.

What fear is intend IS GOOD. Far away from what we`ve learned in our society, isn`t it? But how many things are wrong or useless in our society?

Fear will keep knocking our occipital bone (that "pain on the neck"?) until we DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, it`s that what fear is good for.

We rather should say THANKS GOD, I HAVE FEAR, because IF I PAY ATTENTION to that fear and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, I will get out of the pain/s or that problem/s.

The idea seems to be against what we think in general, and it might be hard to `drink` it, but when that happen, your whole idea how to approach things change.

The same happened with many others (considered) bad feelings.

God put them there with a purpose.

Not to blame us, not to suffer this live. Just to learn of ourselves and grow.

I believe that Tomas Edison, one of my favorite "example to follow", might had fear, like anybody else will or did `suffer` in one way or another.

But fear wasn`t an obstacle for him, he succeded.

Because his idea, lets say, to find that light bulb for example, was so pationated so wonderfull, that fear never blocked him to find what he was looking for.

Actually his fear might rather be in a level of questioning himself  `what other element, product, convination of material can I use to get there?". Keeping him on the right path.

The feeling of fear feels bad, small almost unnoticed (such as worry) to be in hell (such as panic)

But the level of that feeling it might be the level of how important is that problem or thing you are fear of.

If we DO something about it, fear just dissapear because we fix the origin of that fear.

And when we get `expert` how to fix it, Never you wonder "why people get fear on that situation?".

The answer is, those people didn`t CROSS yet that bridge you did.

If you don`t care. You loose what you don`t care. Even life.

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CraigL

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Jul 30, 2007 6:51 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Hey there, Cristobalcat. :-) Never apologize for your English when you`re from another country. Instead, consider how few Americans bother to ever learn a different language. You`re doing great, and most importantly, getting across your points.

I like your connection to drugs and fear. What with the latest reports showing that (I think?) somewhere around 60% of the population is using some sort of mental health drug, it`s pathetic...and tragic.

I agree that fear is a feedback system, designed to move us in and out of positions in life. Without fear, with only apathy, why not just sit on the tracks and watch the train plough into us? Take some Xanax and don`t worry about it. Take some cocaine, and enjoy the experience....right up to when you get killed.

Fear, like pain, is there for a reason. Without pain, we wouldn`t know if we`d injured our body or contracted a problem disease. Pain helps protect the body from damage. Could we say that fear helps protect the mind from damage?

H.P. Lovecraft, a long-ago horror-story author, loved to use the image of a person being so terrified their hair turned white. But they also usually lost their mind and went insane. I think we all of us are familiar with at least the thought that someone can be "scared out of their mind."

So isn`t fear---as the defense mechanism you indicate---protecting our mind from harm? I think so. :-)
beachdi

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Jul 31, 2007 11:05 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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o.k.  i am jumping in...

"On the other hand, is it possible to simply not care anymore about a business, but to care very much for your spouse, your children and family, your pets, your health? Can you target your apathy? I don`t think so....but maybe other people do."

My feelings on the above are very straighforward.  It is easy for me to not care about my business...but to CARE VERY MUCH for my family, husband, children.  They are humans, they have a soul and I have this connection to them that words cannot describe.  When a hurricane or any disaster strikes us, I will reach for their hands, NOT MY COMPUTER.  I have a very strong sense of what really matters.  I can almost always calm myself down when business/financial fears set in by reminding myself that nobody will die or suffer based on any business decision I am making. And at the end of time, it just won`t matter.  But my children will.   I am going to check on them right now, and give them a big ol` nightime hug. Is is just a matter of keeping things in perspective? 

just a simple ol` answer, from me.


 

CraigL

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Aug 01, 2007 4:38 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Hm...interesting example, the hurricane. I have nightmares about catastrophic failures of a PC holding a business. If you have a business you`re passionate about, where you`re making your living from it, and it`s basically your career, would you really not at all think about leaving that computer behind?

The hurricane will eventually end. You and your family will be safe. But if your entire business and all its records have been lost.....then what? :-)
Dave3000

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Aug 22, 2007 10:52 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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I`m jumping late into this conversation, but isn`t that the Buddhist ideal - to remove desire and earthly connections and pass through life untroubled?  I think to most Americans (me included) that seems a somewhat remote and unappealing way to live.  Although what I see as unappealing may be due to my very superficial understanding of Buddhist philosephy.  It just seems most people in our culture want to be fully engaged emotionally - and that does leave you vulnerable.  The bad with the good, I guess.
Dave30002007-8-22 22:53:25
CraigL

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Aug 22, 2007 11:45 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Exactly! What`s wrong with Buddhism is that it succeeds by removing all desire, all goals, all interests, and living passively, floating along. That`s not totally true, because there are variations between Buddhism and Taoism.

However, modern day "New Age" ideology follows along with the old 60s exploration into Buddhism and Eastern metaphysics, by proposing that we should "live in the moment." That means no planning, no goals, no expectations: live like an animal, existing only in the instant.

Is this the way to live? Sure, we get rid of all fear, all anxiety, and all worry. But at the cost of never again planning anything, never again having expectations, never again trying to build something, and forevermore living instant by instant.
chrisspeaks

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This discussion makes me think about the challenge: build up a life you care about, or just live in the moment and not be building? Difficult question, and one I`m still working with, both through my own thinking and learning from the clients I coach.

I like this definition of fear: fear that you won`t be able to handle the upcoming situation. I fear losing my job not so much because of the job, but of the situation losing my job would bring. Would I be able to handle the shock to my self-esteem, the free time, the lack of finances, etc? I`m paraphrasing, but this definition comes from an excellent book, Feal the Fear and Do It Anyway by Susan Jeffers.

Whenever I feel paralyzed by fear, I try to ask, what would I need to do to prepare myself to handle the situation I`m afraid of? Often that leads to some productive thinking, and some resulting action, that helps.

Chris

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CraigL

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Ah, but you see, that`s the idea behind the post. It`s the *consequences* of actions, and the predicted consequences that lead us into fearful conditions. If we remove our interest in consequences, then we also remove all fear.

The issue is whether or not we want to live that way.

Why take a risk? Why rock the boat? Why make waves, and generate consequences that lead to fear? Or, as Socrates once asked, "Is an unexamined life worth living?"

Animals have little fear, other than in the moment. They also have no plans, no goals, and very little structure to their lives. They`re happy for the most part, living in the moment. So what function do "plans" and "planning" have in human life? Does it matter to have plans (a.k.a., goals)? Why, if all they lead to is more fear that you won`t make those goals, or succeed in those plans?

As tragic as it is, an increasing number of people seem to feel (operative word) that having goals is just too stressful. It`s too hard. Rather, be dependent on someone else to take care of things. But I wonder---do they miss having goals if they`ve never had them?

Does an African native miss air-conditioning if he`s never experienced air-conditioning?
CraigL2007-8-29 3:1:6
Dave3000

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Aug 30, 2007 10:32 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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This has been discussed as a philosophical choice, but if you`re talking about a "live in the moment" trend, how much of this is really due to a generation that hasn`t experienced much delayed gratification, and therefore hasn`t had much practical experience with planning things out.  Like most skills that get fully developed, I assume this one begins with a lot of small experiences that lead to increasing mastery, so that bigger and bigger risks can be managed wisely.  I was born in 1961 and definitely grew up as part of the TV generation.  Compared to the World War II generation, I suspect my generation might be a little less capable of handling delayed gratification - and I think that`s probably even more true of the the computer game generation.  Since an acceptance that things won`t come immediately is part of any planning process, I wonder how much this impatience for immediate results stunts the ability to plan effectively.

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