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SilenceDogood

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Nov 07, 2008 8:21 AM ET    Quote
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Under normal circumstances I would never consider doing this. 

However, there is news chatter that congress may nationalize / government-ize private retirement accounts (go to a news site and search 401k).

Frankly, I would rather take the early withdrawal penalty and be in control of my own money than to let the government get their hands on it.  I am certain it would disappear and be replaced with worthless IOUs (see social security - of which at best I will see pennies on the dollar).

I post this here because I would probably use the money from my IRA (rollover account from a previous employers 401k plan) to fund my growing business.

I am a pure bootstrapper - if that makes a difference.

Thoughts?

Talk me down off the ledge? 
robertj

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Nov 07, 2008 12:22 PM ET    Quote
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You bring up an interesting point - it`s the first time I`ve heard it, so I`ll have to do some research.
 
However, you should know that there are ways for your business to benefit from your retirement funds without paying the penalty.
 
 


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SilenceDogood

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Nov 08, 2008 9:20 AM ET    Quote
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I`m going to be talking to a financial advisor and my accountant soon.

The objective is not simply to benefit my business but to avoid my hard earned savings from going down a government toilet (flushing sound here).

I know one can do a SEPP (substantially equal payment plan) and avoid penalties.  But, as I said, the idea is not just access to the money.  If it were not concern for nationalization this would never enter my mind.

robertj

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Nov 08, 2008 12:06 PM ET    Quote
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I`m not clear as to your objectives:

Are you wanting to access these funds for your business without the withdrawal penalty or are you wanting to move them out of any retirement account?
 
If your advisor and accountant can`t help you - I can give you a contact that might be able to.


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SilenceDogood

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Nov 08, 2008 1:58 PM ET    Quote
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My objective is simple: To not let the government control my 401k.  There is chatter that they have tossed around this very idea.

So - I am seriously considering pulling the entire amount of funds out to keep it safe from nationalization.

What I actually do with the money if I pull it out is another matter.

SlowCookerMate

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Nov 09, 2008 5:46 PM ET    Quote
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DoGood - It is just that -- chatter.  If you are concerned about what the govt it going to do, voice the concern to your Senator or Representative.  Get involved with your Senator or Representative.  They love to hear from their constituents.

My Senator is Joe Barton from TX.  I never hesitate to contact his office if I have a question.  His staff is wonderful about listening to what I have to say.



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SilenceDogood

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Nov 10, 2008 5:56 AM ET    Quote
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DoGood - It is just that -- chatter.  If you are concerned about what the govt it going to do, voice the concern to your Senator or Representative.  Get involved with your Senator or Representative.  They love to hear from their constituents.

My Senator is Joe Barton from TX.  I never hesitate to contact his office if I have a question.  His staff is wonderful about listening to what I have to say.




SlowCooker:

I contacted my reps before the bailout.  I got a polite form letter in response.

I frankly do not trust that it is just chatter. 
RegRep

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Nov 10, 2008 1:46 PM ET    Quote
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Who, with any money in a 401K, will not be talking about how to keep it out of full governmental control -- other than currently implemented parameters defined by the tax code.  My long-time clients are concerned and I am getting it from by better half.  Why shouldn`t we just pull it all out and stick it under the mattress?  Surrounded by this growing consternation several issues come to mind:
 
We are in a down market, so not the best idea to cut and run.
Disbursment prior to age 59.5, you pay10% plus current income tax bracket come April 15th.
Where, ultimately, to put your money where you have control and the government doesn`t.
What is to keep the government from going after your IRA as well?
Would the government eliminate the tax advantage of non-qualified tax deferred annuities?
What about national municipal bond funds?  No more tax break?
 
The mattress idea is out, of course, but seriously where could you put your funds where the tax man or government could not eventually get their hands on them.  I do not know.  And I believe there is no good solution or solace to be offered at this point.  I would like to see responses from local representatives posted, form letter or otherwise.  I intend to contact my own and post their replies... 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Giftcompany

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Nov 11, 2008 12:26 PM ET    Quote
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There is a resurgence in a program called "Bank on Yourself". This concept is an old one yet most consumers have never heard of it. The program utilizes a certain kind of dividend paying whole life policy to allow yourself the ability to "act" as your own bank. As with any investment of money there are risks but the whole topic of this forum is reducing risk. Look into this; I`d like to see comments good and bad.


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Tippie

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Nov 11, 2008 12:37 PM ET    Quote
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The safest way I have found is CD`s.  I have taken money out a little at a time every year and put it into CD`s. It saved me some money for sure this time. This crash is horrible. But they come around every seven years or so.
IRA`s and 401K`s are all no good for the long haul. You cannot withraw all your money or sell all when market tanks because you pay a heavy penalty in taxes. Uncle sam benefits and not you. 
I again will wait for the economy to recover and then will again withdraw what I can safely withdraw every year without paying much in taxes. I am 63 and do not have to pay a penalty.
 
I took early retirement and can make up to x amount of dollars per year. That x amount is what I take out of my 401K and put into CD`s. I wish to have something left for my older years.  Leaving it all in my 401K would be plain suicidal because there will be another CRASH in 7-10 years. Never fails!  Just my humble opinion of course. 
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