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Blupanther

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Oct 04, 2006 9:35 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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I`ve done a bit of reading up on this scenario.  The advice most commonly given was to first establish net-30 terms with a few suppliers.  In addition, open a credit card account in the name of the business and not your personal credit.  This will only work if you`ve created a separate entity such as incorporating or LLCing as such.
How do you go about doing this when most banks ask for your personal guarantee.  I don`t want to run up the inquiries on my credit.

It`s good to use the credit card even if you pay it off monthly.  Most banks will give a low credit limit because the company`s credit is minimal in the early years of startup. 


Good luck!
Which banks would these be?

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Oct 07, 2006 10:44 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Research www.creditboards.com  . 

There are a lot of companies that do not report to the D&B.  I would advise you to buy the Credit Builder program, and you can submit your vendors.  You have to make sure your vendors respond, and are rated. 

It is worth every penny to get a paydex score, and it takes some work to get your profile up to date.  I work with 

campbelld@dnb.com campbelld@dnb.com

I just think she is amazing, and she has gone the extra mile for my company, and my friends. 

I will email her and tell her I have posted her information on this website.

You do not know me...but she has put up with me, and I know she can help you!

 

 

 



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RaiseCapital01

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Oct 19, 2006 5:50 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Hi I saw this commet you posted...

We are in the same boat, getting ready to pay D & B to build a profile for us. The next step after that is to apply for easy credit to build that profile, places like Radio Shack, Office Depot and Office Max and the Big Box Stores they all report to D & B and help you build that profile. It is money well spent if you have the time to build that profile. Have you had a personal DBA before? Close it out of your name and open it back up under your Corporation, it can give you a longer track record of being in business. There are lots of little steps to help build the profile, but it takes time.
Good Luck!

My question is in regards to the DBA. I filed my dba back in 2003 but i am just now begining to put all the puzzle pieces together (forming the llc etc.) So you say close the dba under my name and reopen under the corp? How does that work. Also it may prove the length of time the business has been in existence, but what about financial statements. (in my case there are none lol). Would it be odd for a 3 yr old bus to have no financial history?

I found it is easy to to find companies that have D&B number to give you a credit rating. It does not have to be large vendor, or it could be vendor like your hosting company given you the credit rating.

RaiseCapital01

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Oct 19, 2006 5:51 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Hi I saw this commet you posted...

We are in the same boat, getting ready to pay D & B to build a profile for us. The next step after that is to apply for easy credit to build that profile, places like Radio Shack, Office Depot and Office Max and the Big Box Stores they all report to D & B and help you build that profile. It is money well spent if you have the time to build that profile. Have you had a personal DBA before? Close it out of your name and open it back up under your Corporation, it can give you a longer track record of being in business. There are lots of little steps to help build the profile, but it takes time.
Good Luck!

My question is in regards to the DBA. I filed my dba back in 2003 but i am just now begining to put all the puzzle pieces together (forming the llc etc.) So you say close the dba under my name and reopen under the corp? How does that work. Also it may prove the length of time the business has been in existence, but what about financial statements. (in my case there are none lol). Would it be odd for a 3 yr old bus to have no financial history?

Try to have your hosting company to report a credit rating with you. If the hosting company does business with you, they have you on some sort of billing cycle.

William

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Oct 19, 2006 6:57 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Q: Which banks would these be?
A: Use http://www.bankrate.com for both the best reported interest rates and reviews.  The only two I would consider are Capital One or US Bank.  These banks are known for working with small businesses.

Q: How do you go about doing this when most banks ask for your personal guarantee?
A: All banks will require your personal guarantee in the first years of a business credit life.  However, even though you’ll have to use a personal guarantee keep in mind your business is establishing and creating its own credit record. 

It’s similar to my son.  He’s 17 and wants a car.  He knows he’s the one that will pay for it via a loan, but the bank will require my signature to see the loan through.  I’d rather not want to, but that is what it takes to kick his credit record into gear.

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Blupanther

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Oct 20, 2006 8:47 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Thank you for this thread.  I have been on the creditboards and it is a real eye-opener.  Great information.

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Blupanther

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Oct 20, 2006 8:51 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Research www.creditboards.com  . 

Specifically http://consumers.creditnet.com/Discussions/credit-talk/t-bus iness-credit-the-backdoor-appro-16341.html

Blupanther2006-10-20 9:4:39


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robertj

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From my experience, the "credit" that is being discussed here is "trade credit" - the ability to purchase goods /services from other vendors and pay for it later. Typically this "later" is 30 days although some vendors may want 15 days. In some cases, you may be able to get a discount for "fast payment" (example 2% for paying in 10 days).

Therefore, in my opinion, you have a business where trade credit is valuable, then building your company credit rating is good business. Some larger companies still look at D&B info when determining whether to deliver to the customer "on account". Still having a good business credit status is better than a bad one.

That said, if you are looking for Capital -whether it be a loan for working capital, an equipment lease or equity investors - the importance of your D&B credit report is secondary to other factors.

Good luck to you all,

Robert Johnson

 

 



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William

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Oct 20, 2006 1:30 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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From my experience, the "credit" that is being discussed here is "trade credit" - the ability to purchase goods /services from other vendors and pay for it later. Typically this "later" is 30 days although some vendors may want 15 days. In some cases, you may be able to get a discount for "fast payment" (example 2% for paying in 10 days).

Therefore, in my opinion, you have a business where trade credit is valuable, then building your company credit rating is good business. Some larger companies still look at D&B info when determining whether to deliver to the customer "on account". Still having a good business credit status is better than a bad one.

That said, if you are looking for Capital -whether it be a loan for working capital, an equipment lease or equity investors - the importance of your D&B credit report is secondary to other factors.

Good luck to you all,

Robert Johnson

 

 



Nicely stated, but I respectfully disagree.  D&B is what even the larger institutes in the US used as reference.  One such institute is Southwest Bank of St. Louis.  Although they appear regional, SWSTL carries big guns in the banking industry.  Offices more than once referred to D&B in my situation and they even required personal collateral for a LLC within the parameters of a SBA loan.


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robertj

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Oct 20, 2006 2:30 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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William, (or is it Steve):

Just to be clear, I didn`t mean to imply that lenders didn`t even look at the D&B info. What I wanted to convey is that there are other factors that have greater importance in securing a loan. In other words, I`m not aware of small, newer businesses getting a loan just on the strength of their D&B report.

FYI, the requirement for personal guarantees and collateral is standard with an SBA guaranteed loan.

All the best,

Robert Johnson

robertj2006-10-20 14:32:10


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