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nicolea72

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Aug 23, 2007 1:19 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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I don`t know if anyone has run into this before or has any advice.  Here`s what happened.  I run an internet business.  I accept credit card payments and use an address verification system to protect against fraud.  Last month I received a chargeback notice from my merchant bank saying a customer was disputing the charge.  I disputed the chargeback and provided proof of positive address ID, order fulfillment and delivery acceptance from UPS.  The customer still maintains they did not make the order.  Through some investigating on my own I found out that the order was made by a son using his dad`s credit card and now his dad won`t pay.  My merchant bank says as long as the card holder maintains that he did not make the order Visa will not pay the charge and I am basically out of luck.  The order is for less than $100, so I`m not super upset about the money.  It`s mostly the principal of the thing.  This guy is stealing, he ordered the product and now isn`t paying because of a technicality.  Is there anything I can do?  Can you claim fraud on a credit card that isn`t yours?

houseofjerkyjanie

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Aug 23, 2007 1:31 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Hi Nicolea,

I did have that problem once. It was disputed, and I was not too happy. But, Lo and Behold!!!...the funds were put back in my account months later.  I received a letter stating the credit card company said the charge was no longer being disputed.  So, it might work out for you.  I`m sure the credit card company takes some sort of action, and does some investigating, when you have provided them with the documentation. Give them some time.:)

 

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tdiddy

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Aug 23, 2007 1:54 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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well have to contacted the Dad? I would call him and offer free shipping back for the product. I would also record the conversation to the credit company can hear it.
vwebworld

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Aug 23, 2007 3:01 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Absolutely, contact the Dad. If he is not paying he is not entitled to the product.

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houseofjerkyjanie

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Aug 23, 2007 3:26 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Oh, I guess I thought you had spoken with the Dad.  Really, I don`t understand why the Dad wouldn`t be responsible for paying for his Son using it, anyway.
durtbagz

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Aug 23, 2007 3:38 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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wow, the timing of this issue could not have been better. i`m in the process of setting up my merchant account for my online business and my clients are high school and college kids.
i would agree with the others that first and foremost, get the product back. you`ll be out the money (and charged for that by the processors), but at this point, the bag is `stolen`.
i would imagine that if you contact the card, prove that the order was valid and product delivered as promised, then the issue should be between the card and the card holder, not you.
also, you just gave me an idea that maybe i need to put a policy in place in the event that this happens to me. when kids are your clients, it`s a very real possibility and a scenario that i didn`t even think of.


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iouone2

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Aug 23, 2007 4:33 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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I would say the acceptance of the package gives you an edge legally. But it`s still going to be a bit of a hassle. I wouldn`t let up on the card provider too easily. Continue contacting all parties involved. Eventually the dad is going to realize the problem isn`t the stores... it`s between the father and son. If it`s truly a scam (which it sounds to me it is...) I would give the card provider some time to respond, but I would definitely continue pursuing the fraudulent purchase. I wouldn`t give to the "free return shipping" unless that`s already your policy. You don`t want to get any further involved with this transaction that you already are. Especially considering the actual cost.

Shoplifting is a problem in retail stores. Credit card scams using loopholes in the system are just like shoplifting. Eventually, the bottom line (Profit / Loss) must absorb the losses.

Eventually credit card companies will address this issue more fully. It`s just very new to the business world. And education by example is the best way to get the card companies to become better. Don`t let off of them. They need you (the business) to make money. Don`t allow them to set you aside too easily.


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nhgnikole

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Aug 23, 2007 5:58 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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As a parent?
I would tell Dad that you and/or the credit card companies could prosecute his son for fraudulent / unauthorized use the credit card, just as they could if he had stolen the card from a stranger ...

Might make him change his tune really quick.

As a business owner?
I don`t know what I would do ... that may be a bit of a hard line, but if they won`t return it, I might just go that route.


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iouone2

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Aug 23, 2007 6:06 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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good call nhgnikole

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ToddF

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Aug 24, 2007 10:45 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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yep a bit of a scare tatic might work with dad and yes, you could prosecute them for that and get them in serious trouble. Is it worth to Dad now? probably not.

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