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rocknroll333

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Jul 22, 2006 3:07 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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I have done due diligence on almost every CRM vendor.

From a customer service and technology perspective RightNOW is one of the best solutions out there.

Second to that would be Instantservice.com if you only need email and chat content management. intuit uses Instant service becuase they can handle the traffic of tax season..millions upon millions of contacts easily managed. Their team works with you and you are a part of thier software update process so if they dont have all the features you need...they will work with you to get it added!

the actual best CRM solution is Neotonics trakken.com..but Google bought them and took it off the market! thier website is still up but they dont take new customers.

The solution my former company went with was Instant Service for cost reasons, but I would have preferred RightNOW if we had the budget.



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Kregg

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Sep 13, 2006 6:24 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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I realize I am responding a little late, but I just joined the community so hope I can still be of some assistance.

In my humble opinion, most of the CRM solutions mentioned so far are not well suited for today`s small business environment. Products like ACT!, Goldmine and Maximizer have long been the dominant players in the small business CRM/Contact Management space, but are falling out of favor for a variety of reasons. Products like Salesforce.com, SugarCRM and RightNow are more modern in the sense that are web based and/or hosted by the vendor, but are extremely expensive and in some cases require extensive training.

As related to desktop solutions, savvy small business people are slowly but surely beginning to realize their drawbacks and the benefits of hosted CRM solutions. When the PC crashes and your ACT! database is lost, unless you have backed up your database regularly and recently, you are in a world of hurt. More to the point, with so many small businesses being `virtual` in nature, meaning the partners and employees are working from home or in separate geographic locations, desktop CRM solutions simply do not provide the shared visibility and access required for effective collaboration. Customer service at ACT! is virtually non-existent.

As related to salesforce.com, the typical price points are simply out of reach for most small business people. Salesforce STARTS at $65 per user per month. However, the average customer pays closer to $100+ per month per user after all the add-ons and extra cost items are included. In my opinion, salesforce.com is great for Fortune 500 companies who have huge sales and marketing budgets and a lot of internal integration requirements (ties to Oracle Financials or SAP for example), but it is not at all well suited for the typical small business person who may be a member of this particular online community. Salesforce doesn`t focus on small business. I challenge anyone to get their customer service group to help you implement your two or three user deployment of their product.

Sugar CRM and the multitude of Sugar CRM resellers offer slightly lower price points, but you are still looking at a minimum of about $45 per month per user for their hosted solution. Sugar CRM is an open source product so you can get it for virtually nothing from a capital expenditure perspective, but unless you have an IT department or happen to be a PHP programmer, customizing it will cost you dearly. They do offer a CRM `appliance` now, but this means you own the hardware and have to have a place to put it. Where is your data center, in your bedroom, your garage, or in your den?

RightNow`s pricing and product strategy is highly modular, so to get a complete solution you could easily spend as much if not more for it as you would for salesforce or Sugar. Although they rightfully compete in the CRM space, their roots are in online FAQs and they are in my opinion best suited for large, Microsoft centric customer service departments and inbound call centers, not sales organizations.

I have looked at the Kyliptics web site but I have never heard of them myself before seeing the posting here, nor have I ever spoken to anyone who is using or has evaluated the solution, so I can`t comment in depth on the company or product except for what I see on their web site. I see they are leveraging leading edge technology (AJAX) and open source infrastructure (LAMP). The latter of which would lead me to believe their price point would be significantly lower than the other CRM solutions discussed herein, but I did not find any information on pricing on the site (why are they hiding the pricing information?). They also talk about integration with accounting packages and multi-lingual capabilities. QuickBooks (desk top) and QuickBooks online are two most widely used accounting packages in the small business world. I`m not sure how a hosted solution will integrate to a desk top solution, nor to another hosted solution provided by a different vendor, but if they figured out a way to pull it off, that could be a good selling point. I`m not sure what value the multi-lingual capabilities provide to most US based small businesses. They say the project was started in 1999 but they have only two customers and a handful of testimonials listed on their web site.

In February 2004 my partners and I started AppShore with the objective of providing the world`s most functional and cost effective online CRM and Contact Management solution. We are most often compared to salesforce.com and Sugar CRM by our customers. The general consensus, as witnessed by published testimonials, is that we provide the functionality a small business needs but at a fraction of the cost of the competitors - with absolutely outstanding customer service to boot.

Check out AppShore at $9 per user per month and tell me if you see any functional difference between us and the big guys. Your feedback is extremely welcome.

Rich

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Sep 13, 2006 8:14 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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kregg,

would you be willing to let someone in the community take a free test drive of your product? and then let us interview them to talk about this product relative to others?

rich



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Kregg

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Sep 13, 2006 8:38 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Hi Rich,

Yes, I would welcome the opportunity.

We offer a Free 30 day trial of our Professional Edition.

From our home page, www.appshore.com, click on the Free Edition button and fill out the registration form.

Thank you for the idea.

Regards,
Kregg
Rich

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Sep 13, 2006 8:45 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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who wants to test drive?!?!? we`ll circle back with you after a month or so to see what you think... CRM is critical to success in business and if this product has an edge, we want to cover it...

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Rich

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Sep 14, 2006 8:32 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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anthony,

are you affiliated with kregg?



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Kregg

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Sep 14, 2006 12:19 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Hi Anthony,

My contact information is posted in my signature, but here it is again:

Kregg Ray
Co-Founder AppShore Inc.
415-350-3472
kray@appshore.com
www.appshore.com
Kregg

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Sep 15, 2006 2:30 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Rich,

You sent an invitation out to the members to do a test drive of our online CRM solution but no one responded here. However, member `Robentcorp` has signed up for a free trail.

Perhaps you could interview him when he has had time to do some `driving`?

Rob, would you be open to this?

Kregg
hostclick

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Sep 15, 2006 3:24 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Yes, I wouldn`t mind checking it out.  I`m finding myself pretty busy these days but I`ll sign up for the trial and see what I think.
kyliptix

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Sep 30, 2006 7:44 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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David:

You can sign up at http://www.kyliptix.com/evaluation.php

For more info & print screens >> http://www.kyliptix.com/

Good luck!






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Kyliptix Solutions Inc.

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