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GriffithCorp

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Mar 18, 2009 6:34 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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First of all, I grant you that most of Europe has gone to socialism in one degree or another. Since when does to United States look to Europe as the beacon of political progress?

What you are talking about leans toward globalization and liberalization. The United States has always had its radical left element, which has tried to socialize our country. It was evident in the era of President Woodrow Wilson, a Democrat, who resisted it. The Eugene Debbs element has always existed. The balance has been found in allowing the unions to do their thing while American capitalism has flourished. If you want government to be the cure all, end all and you feel the American people do not have enough imagination, ingenuity and innovation inside of them to contribute to the republic, then by all means, support a change to socialism. That is not moving on, and it has nothing to do with a philosophical railroad. It is surrendering to the idea that government can do it better than the American people.

I oppose any bailouts for ANYONE. If capitalism finds itself swallowed by socialism, it will be because they allowed it.

You don`t allow an entire system to fall because of a handful of multi-billion dollar corporations who screwed up. There are too many small businesses doing the hardwork, who deserve to flourish and to prosper. They can`t prosper with a government mandating how much they can make until they get penalized for their success.

You do not save the poor by giving them everything they need. There will always be the poor in society. The places of faith and the community organizations have a responsibility to do that which government was never mandated to do. Government`s role is not to take care of the poor. History shows a welfare state is doomed to failure.

We have gone through economic storms a hell of alot worse than this one and we have always bounced back, and have done so stronger and more prosperous. That is the genius of the American capitalistic system.

Where there is money, there will always be the lack of principles. Where there is poverty, so too will there be a lack of principles.  It is human nature. You are suggesting that when we give everything to everyone to meet their needs, they will have principles? What about fiscal responsibility and lifting themselves out of the current station they`re in? When you right a blank check to someone has not earned it, they will spend it, be broke again and do nothing to earn the next round.

Every President has faults. They are men, shaped by faults and shaped by their times. Obama has his faults as well. The challenge for a president is  to not allow those faults to reflect the national policy of the country. A community organizer does not a president make. A president and the times in which he governs make the president. Obama`s challenge will be to protect this country against an onslaught of national security threats which continue to grow with every new day of his administration. The challenge will be to pull us out of the swamp of economic uncertainty and disarray and allow America to get back to the job of being America.

If there are to be bailouts and there is no choice but to do what Obama has done, I would rather we bailout out those who are responsible for creating jobs. It is a bad thing, at any rate. We should have held them accountable like the 44th President promised we would do. Let them fail. Only through failure is success appreciated when it arrives.

In the final analysis, socialism is the cry of the radical left. And if the socialist cries have done anything, it is to reaffirm my fiscal conservative values.

The start ups in this country come from imagination, innovation and the will power to build something of value. All business starts from nothing. If there is a revolution taking place, it is the hushed silence of an entrepreneurial revolution where crisis has fueled the creativity of people all across this country.

Look around you Matt. Creativity blooms, despite the thorns surrounding it. It always has and so it shall continue. For if we know anything of our country, it is that the American resolve to succeed and live the American dream rests not within the hands of government to make it happen for its people, but it rests within the grasp of the people to make it happen for themselves. When government becomes an obstacle to that, then government has stepped out of line and we need to clean house in the United States Congress. And that, Matt, IS CHANGE I CAN BELIEVE IN!

A fine exchange with you...as always my friend.

Will Griffith

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mfackrell

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Mar 18, 2009 8:09 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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Matt
 
The founding fathers were indeed not perfect, however they had the foresight to establish a system which allowed equal opportunity for people to achieve what they so desire (with the exception of slavery, which most of them did not like. Yet they knew that problem would have to be dealt with later or there would have been no nation in the first place.)
 
Socialism is never a good option, it hampers productivity and does not accomplish what it purports to do, which is distribute goods equally.
 
The current economic crisis we find ourselves in is not a function of "bad capitalism". It is a function primarily of the government getting involved in areas it should never have been, ie the housing market (the founding fathers would have rolled over in their graves by the way).
 
Had the government not stood behind loans to uncreditworthy people and not threatened lawsuits against banks that would not lend to the uncreditworthy people on the basis of discrimination; we would find ourselves in a much different situation currently.
 
One major component of our current situation IS government involvement not the lack thereof, you of course will never see that on the evening news because they truly are in the pocket of the leftists.
 
If you go back to the Great Depression the socialist policies instituted by FDR worsened the economy they did not help. The unemployment rate in 1939 was higher than it was in `33 when Roosevelt took office, all he did was expand government. WWII is what brought this country out of that crisis, not socialism.
 
You are right it is not 1776 but then we DO NOT have that government we have a very socialized version based on that.
 
I could not disagree with you  more. I think the best thing to do would be for us to go back to the government of 1776.
GriffithCorp

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Mar 18, 2009 8:22 AM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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A big salute to Mark. I agree. I think it is time to get back to the basics upon which our constitution and our nation was established. Well said Mark. Well said indeed.

Will Griffith



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Casi

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Mar 18, 2009 1:53 PM ET    Quote  Report Abuse
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I think you guys hijacked this thread.

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