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I did not find a specific place to report bugs. I also  could not easily tell what had already been reported.

I find the forum software a bit rough when it comes to functionality. Either outright bugs or weird behavior that in some cases is not even consistent.

Is there a good place to report issues? At least a place where issues can be collected and the community can know if they are experiencing a known problem or if they have tripped over something new?

The bug? When using the Safari browser on a Mac you can end up typing a reply and you are not presented with a button to submit what you have written. It happens when the thread has a few replies so it feels like the software has lost the bottom of the `page`. It does not happen using Firefox on a Mac (at least so far).

Hi John, you`ve found the perfect place to report bugs. Thanks for passing this one along. We`re aware that Safari users are special. We`ll let you know the status of this issue asap.

IMO? Stop using Safari. It`s quickly added itself to the IE 5/6 list.

In fact, let`s all write Apple, tell them to stop wasting money on an inferior browser, and just bundle new computers with Firefox. That would have saved me the trouble of downloading it when my new laptop arrived.
The used to bundle it with IE for Mac, which honestly was the worst browser in browser history. I would have thought they learned their lesson, but along came Safari.

Please, Steve, just stop it. I`m a sucker and I`m still buying your Macs, but make a sound business decision for once and quit wasting development money on Safari.

FYI, a little lesson on webbiness, for the newbies.

There`s a governing body which decides the direction of coding html and css. They put out things like guides and standards of practice.
Companies like Mozilla come along, and use those standards to make their web browser.

Companies like Microsoft (and now, Apple) come along and say "you must design something specifically for my browser because I`m so big that I don`t care about standards".

This practice hurts the little guy. Small businesses, like all of SUN, need websites ... and websites are more expensive to develop when you have to write a stylesheet based on standards ... and then rewrite it for Internet Explorer ... and then rewrite again for Safari.

So when you use Internet Explorer and Safari, when you support this attitude, you are saying "I`m a small business and I really like paying more for my web development."

Real change starts with everyone here, the millions of small business owners in this country. Stop with the IE and the Safari. Download Firefox and use it.

I just get a little ill when I read stuff like this article that talks about developers coding for Safari "if there`s time". The bottom line is this: you shouldn`t have to "code for Safari". Apple and Microsoft should make it easier for the small business owners they claim to care about and start supporting web standards for their browsers.

*steps of soap box now*

Joel, Safari users probably represent less than 1% of the users here.
I`d just tell them to go download Firefox. It`s not worth the development expense on your part. My response would be the same if they told me they are trying to view your site with Internet Explorer 5, IE for Mac, Netscape 4, or whatever else silly thing they want to try.

One reason computers are in such a mess with incompatibility is that arrogance and ego of the companies. I`m just learning more about CSS, and started with a book written 10 years ago.

What I`m seeing is even back then, CSS was considered "risky." Someone would come up with a proposition, then Microsoft would unilaterally decide THEY would implement it their own way. Everyone else tried to get along.

It`s really a bit disgusting, when you come right down to it. Somehow these larger companies think that by always putting out their own, unique, proprietary way of doing things that`s going to increase customer interest. All it`s done is screw up most of the business.

The section that pops-up when you mouse over the My StartupNation tab is not functional in FireFox. The pop-up appears but when you move the mouse into the pop-up area it disappears.

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I`ll confirm Steve`s bug report. I`m on Firefox as well, and can`t access the links within the pop-up. So that`s interesting...how would I revise my profile? :-)

Steve and Craig - what version?
I ask because it works perfectly over here.

It works fine on my FireFox 2 on a mac.

Nikole: is your blog page all messed up? Mine is, but Safari looks perfect.

My blog page? What do you mean?
The blogs here or my own blog?

Their blogs look fine to me.